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The weasel pops up again, and other Labor skulduggery

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http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/national/disgraced-peter-slippers-back-in-the-jet-set/story-fndo317g-1226508717871

PETER Slipper can keep his passport current after being nominated by the government for the prestigious parliamentary foreign affairs committee. Robert McClelland, who was dumped from the ministry earlier this year, was stood aside to make way for Mr Slipper. MPs on the foreign affairs committee can expect to travel in delegations overseas. Slippery Pete is not beyond selling his vote.

Next Whine Swan rushed out the interim bludget before the mining tax returns and with some creative accounting, to present a dodgy surplus. The latest estimates show a nearly $5bn deficit.

Then to cover up the latest broken promise, Whine gets treasury to cherry pick a few opposition policies, do an estimate on incomplete information and then get them published.
Posted by Shadow Minister, Wednesday, 7 November 2012 1:19:30 PM
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Slipper is guilty of nothing.
Budget savings of 20 billion $ has been found without one job lost.
Treasury costings has always been the case and govt; can release or not the figures.
Posted by 579, Thursday, 8 November 2012 6:06:57 AM
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The Coalition's tax policies will cost Australian businesses $4.57 billion in their first full year of operation, according to the Commonwealth Treasury.

Prepared as Treasury attempts to come to grips with a suite of Coalition policies yet to be announced, the analysis includes only those to which it has publicly committed. Excluded are policies with a negative but uncertain impact on business, such as winding back the recent increase in the employee tax-free threshold from $6000 to $18,200.

The three policies identified by Treasury are the Coalition's commitment to impose a 1.5 per cent tax levy on big firms to fund paid parental leave, its decision to axe instant asset writeoff and other tax breaks for small business funded from the carbon tax, and its decision to axe the ability for businesses to "carry back" losses and obtain refunds for tax already paid funded from the mining tax.

The analysis excludes the benefit to some businesses from axing the carbon and mining taxes.
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Treasury finds that businesses would lose $4.57 billion in the first full year the Coalition's three commitments were operational, accumulating to $17.2 billion over four years.

Its calculations suggest manufacturers would pay an extra $1.34 billion a year, retailers an extra $930 million and the construction sector an extra $860 million a year.
Posted by 579, Thursday, 8 November 2012 6:29:57 AM
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579,

Is Slipper guilty of sending sexist and vile texts? Absolutely.
Is he guilty of rorting his entitlements? absolutely.
Did the government have to pay Ashby for Slipper's sexual harassment? Absolutely.

Is Labor giving him a plum committee position to elicit his vote? there is no doubt. His vote is not cheap.

Is Labor going to meet its budget surplus? Not a snowball's chance in hell.

Did Labor produce budget "savings" of $18bn? Absolutely not, only about $1bn was reduced spending, the rest were mostly tax increases and accounting trickery.

Is the government allowed to use treasury to produce estimates of opposition policies using unfavourable terms of reference and publish them? Absolutely. However, they cannot do this and then retain any credibility for costing election policies.
Posted by Shadow Minister, Thursday, 8 November 2012 7:08:10 AM
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SM, do you think that it is possible that 579 is a labour party troll ?
He rigidly follows the party line.
Hardly ever answers criticism of labour and turns everything into an attack on Tony Abbott.
Posted by Bazz, Thursday, 8 November 2012 8:39:54 AM
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Bazz,

Wash your mouth out with soap!

Could someone who posts unattributed spin so stylistically inconsistent with a brief, assertive and dogmatic posting style possibly be a troll?

You (or anyone else needing practise with the little twin inverted commas) can quote me on this.
Posted by Forrest Gumpp, Thursday, 8 November 2012 10:23:49 AM
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Bazz, do you think that it is possible that SM is a Liberal Party troll?
He rigidly follows the party line.
Hardly ever answers criticism of the coalition and turns everything into an attack on Julia Gillard.
Posted by Paul1405, Thursday, 8 November 2012 10:51:35 AM
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Bazz,

Do you think that it is possible that Paul 1405 is a Green Party troll?
He rigidly follows the party line.
Hardly ever answers criticism of the coalition and turns everything into an attack on Tony Abbott.

579 is incapable of anything more than spouting one liners from the Labor song sheet often completely irrelevant to the topic, so much so that he almost looks like a computer randomly printing labor slogans. Furthermore he incapable of defending or justifying anything he says and is more like background noise devoid of sentience.
Posted by Shadow Minister, Thursday, 8 November 2012 11:40:33 AM
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Is Slipper guilty of sending sexist and vile texts? No, he is guilty of responding to them.
It was actually Ashby who composed most of those offensive (but private) texts.

Is he guilty of rorting his entitlements? Ashby apparently no longer thinks so. He withdrew those charges.

Did the Opposition pay for Ashby’s legal actions? Absolutely.
James Ashby’s legal action is being funded pro bono by Harmer’s Workplace Lawyers, as well as a mystery donor from the Liberal Party, who has apparently given him $100,000 worth of legal work for $1. Why?

Is Labor going to meet its budget surplus? Perhaps or perhaps not - a bit of a premature judgement to be making 6 months out from the Budget.

Is the government allowed to use treasury to produce estimates of opposition policies using unfavourable terms of reference and publish them? Absolutely. – as Peter Costello used to do himself.
For example - http://ministers.treasury.gov.au/DisplayDocs.aspx?doc=pressreleases/2002/029.htm&pageID=003&min=phc&Year=2002&DocType=0
Posted by wobbles, Thursday, 8 November 2012 3:27:06 PM
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"The weasel pops up again...."

That's funny, because when I saw this thread those were my thoughts exactly.

:)
Posted by Poirot, Thursday, 8 November 2012 3:51:32 PM
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Yes, yes & yes !
Posted by Bazz, Thursday, 8 November 2012 4:40:04 PM
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My though too Poirot.
Only your comment bought me here, to GLOAT.
Not a joke, only thought that came in to my head.
Posted by Belly, Thursday, 8 November 2012 5:13:21 PM
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I think you all miss the point....Really who cares?
Posted by chrisgaff1000, Thursday, 8 November 2012 8:55:21 PM
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Wobbles,

The texts quoted in the press were sent by Slipper.

Labor never submitted their policies to treasury for costing whilst in opposition, yet are demanding that the liberals do so. Then they pull this sort of stunt of costing policies they don't even have the details of, and announcing cherry picked details. Labor are complete hypocrites.

Will Labor meet the surplus when nearly $5bn of income they had included in their interim budget is already gone? You have to be kidding. If the independents stop labor from pulling revenue from the next tax year, they will be out a further $8bn.

No wonder Labor is so corrupt.
Posted by Shadow Minister, Thursday, 8 November 2012 9:59:28 PM
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The texts quoted in the press were sent by Slipper?

Well not quite.

The implication of what the texts contained was made by Paul Sheehan of the SMH and many other journos jumped on the bandwagon.

In fact there are only 4 messages listed in the affidavit out of ‘…the hundreds (claims Sheehan) of dubious and distasteful text messages sent by Slipper to his Staffer James Ashby’ - which is untrue.

Have you bothered to read the transcript of the text messages for yourself or are you only relying on media spin?

Only one of these was sent while Ashby was working for Slipper and none of the exchanges appear to have been considered as offensive by Ashby at the time.

Legally they fall outside the dates specified in the complaint and will be shown not to be relevant. The purpose of raising this matter was for personal smear tactics, which succeeded because he has resigned his position.

What is yet to be discussed is, if Slipper was involved in an alleged improper incident with a staffer in 2003, someone from the Prime Minister’s office (John Howard’s) covered it up, only to bring it to Ashby’s attention in 2012 for political reasons. Brandis perhaps? Or Pyne? Or Abetz?

Now, which Party can claim to hold the high moral ground?

I'm no fan of Slipper but we've been here before -http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=4658&page=0#122155

Only then, the media failed to report Slipper's indiscretions and for some reason, kept them very quiet until they could be used against Gillard.

Funny, that.
Posted by wobbles, Friday, 9 November 2012 1:21:18 AM
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Abbott's role as leader was to force an election as soon as posable. This has failed miserably. Now he is stuck for innuendo.
Slipper guilty of nothing, Thomson charged with nothing. All part of a plan, to force an election. Treat the people as idiots, hopefully the truth will prevail before an election.
Abbott will have his own worry, concerning that girl at uni.
That will show he has an ingrown aversion to women.
His negligence of blocking the Malaysia solution, for his own gain, all part of a plan to force an election.
A vial streak of misery, and a dangerous person.
Posted by 579, Friday, 9 November 2012 5:42:23 AM
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Ok 579, and anyone else who thinks labor deserve to be there.

How do you propose we stop the bleeding and start accumulating (real) funds and increase funding for the likes of health, as they should be, other than to tax the big end of town.

Now while I hate increased taxes, this mess labor has created has to be fixed, and unfortunately the big end is about the only option, uless we wish to slash funding further.

And remember, this government may well have pulled a rabbit out of it's hat to achieve surplus, but they can only take an IOU once.

So I ask you to forget sides for a minute and tell us how we can fix the problem we find ourselves in.

Now of cause if you don't think there's a problem, then carry on dreaming.
Posted by rehctub, Friday, 9 November 2012 5:56:52 AM
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Stop the bleeding and increase funding.
If we increase funding the bleeding will continue. It's a matter of prioritizing where the funding is allocated.
So what bleeding would you like stopped or cut as to put more funding into health.
Abbott's plan is to cut public servants and create an unemployment pool.
This will fund his welfare for the well heeled.
Budgets are created to allocate funding, so that is the time to make noises about extra funding for health, and at the same time it is a good idea to make suggestions as to what is unnecessary.
Lets remember it is not just federal money that goes into health.
So what we need is some suggestions of where the bleeding is.
Posted by 579, Friday, 9 November 2012 6:14:59 AM
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We are probably all too frightened of legal action on OLO to speak
of the subject we all know about.
However it is now in the hands of the Victoria police.
There is also the misleading of parliament, even if it is a slightly
long drawn bow.

And 579 has the nerve to keep up his spin.
Posted by Bazz, Friday, 9 November 2012 6:56:48 AM
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Wobbles,

The few texts reported in the paper were directly from Slipper. Of the hundreds of texts, some are relevant to the case against him, some are not. Similarly the rorting of Cab charges is not part of the harassment case for obvious reasons, but may form part of a criminal case later.

I see Eric Roozendaal has been suspended from Labor for breaking their rules against being caught. Juliar is ducking and diving about her dodgy AWU deal, and has already been caught out telling porkies.

No party has absolute claim to the moral high ground, but Labor has conquered the moral abyss.
Posted by Shadow Minister, Friday, 9 November 2012 7:15:55 AM
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Still looking for something to force an election, all of which so far failed. Malaysia, Slipper, Thomson, Williamson, Gillard.
The election will be forced when it is due.
There's more to the Slipper case than meets the eye.
Thomson may well turn out a witch hunt.
So much for the done deal with FWA.
Slime and mud, what an opposition.
The would be Govt, with dodgy figures and hidden agenda, what a prize.
Posted by 579, Friday, 9 November 2012 7:38:56 AM
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"Do you think that it is possible that Paul 1405 is a Green Party troll?
He rigidly follows the party line.
Hardly ever answers criticism of the coalition and turns everything into an attack on Tony Abbott."

SM, Sorry for being so late in reply to your above. I take exception! "Hardly ever answers criticism of the coalition" I NEVER ANSWER CRITICISM OF THE COALITION. As for criticism of the Greens I never have to answer that either, because there never is any, everyone loves us.
I never attack Tony Abbott, I attack the Mad Monk or Tony Belloni never good Mr Abbott, the weasel!
And for a bit of balance. What about Eric Roozendaal and Eddie Obeid here in NSW. As I often tell Belly The Long Bay Branch of the ALP is now the biggest in the State, they will have to build a new wing just to accommodate the influx of Labor luminaries. Move over Milton, Eric is on his way. p/s Anyone know where I can get a cheap auto? I was thinking of going down to Moses Motors at Lakemba and having a word to their gun salesman Honest Pete.
Posted by Paul1405, Friday, 9 November 2012 10:20:39 AM
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Paul1405 said;
The Long Bay Branch of the ALP is now the biggest in the State,

No it isn't, the ABC Branch is by far the largest !
Posted by Bazz, Friday, 9 November 2012 10:42:34 AM
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Sorry cut and paste error.

Do you think that it is possible that Paul 1405 is a Green Party troll?
He rigidly follows the party line.
Hardly ever answers criticism of the greens and turns everything into an attack on Tony Abbott.

Likewise I never attack Julia Gillard, I always attack Juliar the lying shrew, and her corrupt and incompetent party of crooks, and their litany of failed policies and broken promises. I also have nothing but contempt for the loony left greens with their idiotic and contradictory policies that are made up as they go along.
Posted by Shadow Minister, Friday, 9 November 2012 10:49:04 AM
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Paul you do tend to keep good company and in my view are as bitter as the threads author.
You need to get a grip no words can change the fact your party is dying.
Poirot confirmation on display, re threads title.
Needed to answer but will now have a shower after leaving it.
Posted by Belly, Friday, 9 November 2012 11:22:04 AM
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Belly,

I don't blame you. Anyone in contact with the unions or Labor needs a shower to clean off the corruption and sleaze.
Posted by Shadow Minister, Friday, 9 November 2012 12:32:15 PM
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Come to think of it, SM, your threads are likely to engender a rapid response in the cleansing department also - full to the brim as they are with the obsessive expression of partisan derision.
Posted by Poirot, Friday, 9 November 2012 1:18:14 PM
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Mr Abbott wants a clean campaign leading up to the next election.
After what he has done he is now running scared.
He has questions about that uni female to overcome before he can make any suggestions.
He says the campaign should not be negative. He should have thought about that years ago, but the election was supposed to be over two years ago.
Abbott has dug his own hole, so deserves whatever comes his way.
They should get about fixing their 70 billion black hole.
Posted by 579, Friday, 9 November 2012 1:25:14 PM
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Belly, I'm not bitter. I love ya all. The way Labor luminaries are lining up at the ICAC, you going to have to sell tickets shortly, best side show in town. Eddie's back next week for another bit of 'hocus pocus'. Joe Tripodi must be jello, hasn't got a call up yet. Have you had a chance to invest in Joe's Ghanaian gold scheme (scam). That should be interesting when the you know what hits the fan.

579, Stop thinking Abbott's a misogynist, not true, he just don't like women, that's all. Do you think Abbott and Archie Pell are an item? They spend a lot of time together. Like another well known Liberal, who can't be named for ethical reasons, Tony likes to hang out with the boys.

SM, What about Fatty O'Barrel doing favours for young Jamie Packer. Do ya think there's a cheap Ferrari in it for Fatty, complements of a grateful lad. If a cafe at the Quay is worth a Honda, a casino got to be worth a Ferrari, don't you agree? If you can't cut and Paste correctly how you ever going to become a fully fledged minister. you'll always just remain the shadow of a minister, and we can't have that. lift your game son!
Posted by Paul1405, Friday, 9 November 2012 8:17:30 PM
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When he entered Parliament in 1994, Abbott described himself as “a junkyard dog savaging the other side”.

As a boxer in Oxford he had little technique but a brutal sense of attack, which he called “the whirling dervisher”.

His great political flaw is like that of his boxing, when he defeated his opponents with his "whirling dervish" attacks on them.

If his opponents had had better defence, they would have avoided his initial attacks, let him become exhausted and then picked him off, slowly and relentlessly.

Abbott places everything on attack and as such leaves himself wide open to dying a death of a thousand cuts. In all likelihood his term as leader will end in either tears or farce.

It seems his strategy was to relentlessly capitalise on the initial instability of a hung Parliament, make it totally unworkable and force an early election.

Now it appears that Gillard is fighting back and Abbott’s punched out and has really nothing to offer but a bunch of empty slogans that he can’t back up with solid policies. Meanwhile legislation is being passed and changes are being introduced and despite all the media predictions, Rudd hasn’t toppled Gillard.

He would have been better advised to come up with some solid policy alternatives long ago and built on them instead of constantly whining like Howard used to when in opposition.

Politics has changed in the last decade and voters have higher expectations.

Conservatives can't take votes based on negativity for granted anymore - as Romney and his Tea Party supporters recently found out.

Abbott's position may not be as safe as some would like to think it is.
Posted by rache, Friday, 9 November 2012 11:13:20 PM
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rache, The Liberals have never been strong on policy, conservatives equate policy to planning which equals socialism, this they philosophically oppose. In opposition, rather than come up with progressive ideas which will move the nation forward they tend to sit back and negatively attack the other side. Rather than say "Vote for me and I will do, 1,2,3." the conservatives will say "Vote for me and I will undo 1,2,3."
The greatest political 'sin' delivered on Australia in my lifetime was the long years of conservatism that followed WWII. A time when Australia was presented with real opportunity to develop and progress, we truly were 'the lucky country'. But instead of grasping opportunity and exploiting our potential we retreated into a conservative shell with years of Menzieism which failed to deliver for Australia.
Abbott, like Menzies and Howard, given the opportunity will move us back into that conservative shell.
Posted by Paul1405, Saturday, 10 November 2012 7:24:45 AM
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Abbott is frightened of the US style of campaign. Who started all of the negativity and insults.
You must receive as good as you give, and not be a wimp.
The coalition have been a filthy opposition, and deserve no respect, all designed to force an election at any cost.
Off the cuff, pledges in blood, Slipper, Thomson, Gillard, absolute slime.
Abbott has his own questions that need answering, why did he lie about meeting the head monk, the girl at uni. No doubt it will come to the front.
The women of AU need their issues addressed, not blatantly denied.
Religion should not be in our parliament, and neither should a person that denigrates women.
Posted by 579, Saturday, 10 November 2012 7:58:28 AM
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It now appears that political campaigning has become the field of
feminist misogynist attacks by women politicians. (The Handbag Hit Squad).

In all of history, women only played minor parts in politics.
It seems we now know why.
Perhaps the best way to resolve this is to get all women out of politics.
ps this is not trolling, it is a genuine option.

Now there is an interesting thought.
Women cannot complain as they set the rules.

Real Men Unite !
Posted by Bazz, Saturday, 10 November 2012 9:11:56 AM
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"Real Men Unite!"

Well, ha,ha,ha, ha,....just when I think there's no comedy on OLO,......

Round and round the mulberry bush.....(it's a bit like that sometimes around here).....pop goes the Bazz-el!
Posted by Poirot, Saturday, 10 November 2012 9:23:55 AM
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Ha Ha ! Poirot, glad you appreciate it !

psss fellows let them think we are joking !
he he
Posted by Bazz, Saturday, 10 November 2012 9:43:49 AM
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You just popped again, Bazz (better see a quack about that : )

The thing that fascinates me is that you guys think you've always run the show,,,when it's obvious that the women in the background pull your strings anyway. Where do you think Johnnie Howard would have been without his missus? Tony Abbott?...any bloke?

he he......
Posted by Poirot, Saturday, 10 November 2012 9:53:42 AM
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Hmmm, I'll have to ask the boss about that !
Posted by Bazz, Saturday, 10 November 2012 10:04:06 AM
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Bazz I must agree with you. The World has been blessed with so many great male political leaders, let me draw up a list:

(1) Adolph Hitler
(2) Benito Mussolini
(3) Joe Stalin
(4) Attila The Hen (has balls)
(5) Any Bush (take your pick)
(4) Rasputin
(5) The Mad Monk
Posted by Paul1405, Saturday, 10 November 2012 1:10:28 PM
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A would be statesman. A man amongst men. A man of wisdom. A Leader of the peasants. A woman's dream.
How could anyone go past such a distinguished man.
A born leader, fearless of nothing,
Turnbull.
Posted by 579, Saturday, 10 November 2012 2:01:55 PM
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579,
Turnbull?

I remember Keating's advice to Rudd about Turnbull.

1. He's brilliant. He catches onto new concepts readily.
2. He's fearless. When he believes in something strongly, he goes all-out.

But -

3. He has no sense of judgement. Because of Points 1 & 2 above, he has an overinflated sense of arrogance and ego and doesn't take advice from others, preferring to believe he's infallible.

It's because he ignored his National Party colleagues and because he didn't take advice to the contrary about matters such as Godwin Grech, that they (narrowly) dumped him.

I doubt that he'll be back as leader - although I suspect he thinks differently.
Posted by rache, Sunday, 11 November 2012 6:01:53 PM
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sounds like Keeting was talking about himself.
Posted by Bazz, Sunday, 11 November 2012 6:31:43 PM
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No Bazz, He was talking about Bob Hawke. Then again it could have been John Howard talking about Peter Costello. Or was it Andrew Peacock talking about John Howard, then again Gough Whitlam was most likely talking about Malcolm Fraser or vise-verse......Bob Menzies.......Billy Hughes......Edmond Barton......Henry Parks..........Arthur Phillip....and so on and so on...IT FITS THEM ALL! Not to sure about the brilliant and fearless part though, but there is a good case for the:
He has no sense of judgement.he has an overinflated sense of arrogance and ego and doesn't take advice from others, preferring to believe he's infallible. They left out Tony and Julia, what a shame.
Posted by Paul1405, Sunday, 11 November 2012 7:17:44 PM
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