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Multiculturalism: Netherlands says 'no', Australia says 'yes, more'

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In Australia: Last Saturday, Opposition Leader Tony Abbott indicated at the federal Liberal Party council that he was embracing multiculturalism.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/commentary/opposition-leader-embraces-multiculturalism-as-dutch-walk-away/story-e6frgd0x-1226083038786
Quote: it makes more sense than ever to rehabilitate multiculturalism as an expression of our society’s traditional strengths and as a vehicle for building commitment to Australia.
http://www.tonyabbott.com.au/News/tabid/94/articleType/ArticleView/articleId/3613/MULTICULTURALISM-THE-CASE-FOR-HARMONY.aspx

In the Netherlands: The Dutch government says it will abandon the long-standing model of multiculturalism that has encouraged Muslim immigrants to create a parallel society within the Netherlands. "The government shares the social dissatisfaction over the multicultural society model and plans to shift priority to the values of the Dutch people. In the new integration system, the values of the Dutch society play a central role. With this change, the government steps away from the model of a multicultural society." http://www.hudson-ny.org/2219/netherlands-abandons-multiculturalism
Oh yes, nothing promotes harmony like telling immigrants they do not have to respect or obey Australia values or laws. Then again, perhaps Australia can succeed where so many other countries have seen failure. Perhaps, respect and the “the goodwill of migrants “is not really a two-way street and Australia has no right to demand that those who come here accept and respect others.

This poster’s position is that Muslim immigration has been a disaster for all countries in the West. Muslims they bring their values with them, and their values are not those of the West. Certainly there are good Muslims but overall their presence is a big minus that will lead to divisions, confrontation, and trouble. Multiculturalism is nothing but national suicide. Will we never learn?
Posted by kactuz, Tuesday, 28 June 2011 7:53:45 AM
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*LAST Saturday, Opposition Leader Tony Abbott indicated at the federal Liberal Party council that he was embracing multiculturalism*

Tony just wants to me PM & knows Kevin got in with the votes of the migrants- pro migrants.

There could be a sensible arrangements made through the department of immigration if only they would get our regional areas going.
The reason we have trouble at times in Australia falls at the feet of the Government. They dont have any compulsory programs to make these people mix and learn about our culture.

These poor kids come in and straight away they are told- Son No you cant go out to the club with the other kids and meet girls.

Not all these kids go the private schools. Some dont fit in at school because of their parents strict rules & they feel they dont fit in at home anymore either because they see the way the other kids live. All kids just want to be accepted and feel normal.

So you end up with a bunch of angry kids forming their own groups.

So perhaps someone could introduce family interaction courses & if you dont turn up your warned 2md time your out.
Tony might also introduce class ABC one to ten year temporary permanent visa instead of giving citizenship straight away.

Ranging from call one visa one to 2 years B 2 to 4 years C 4 to 6 years D 6 to 15 years - then if there are no black marks give them citizenship.

And before you ask yes that applies to any children born in that time too.

Good reason to behave yourself if you want the honour to be called Australian

After having said that there are some wonderful Muslim People in Australia that we could learn from too.

Not that Tony is interested in anything but being PM for his own ego.
Posted by Kerryanne, Tuesday, 28 June 2011 9:12:18 AM
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No surprise in the Netherlands- ever since that Islamist murdered Theo Van Gogh the Dutch have quickly reconsidered their previous policies and have been scaling back.
The same thing is happening all over Europe actually (except the UK).
Which strikes me as strange when that empty argument "what will other countries think about us?"- as it seems that for quite a long time that most other countries around the world have gone the direction we are heading years ago.

In Australia, on the other hand;
It's amazing how much the Liberals have lost the plot; Abbot, Vanstone and Morrison to count a few.
And what strikes me as odd is that they are only doing this for the sake of showing opposition to the government.
-As if they think that by aborting their ONLY popular policy, people will simply forget about it and jump to their side.

They don't realize that their tough stand AGAINST multiculturalism and Muslim migrants was the ONLY reason people actually used to vote for them?
Without that they are by far the less popular choice between themselves and Labor- It most definitely wasn't their treatment of Aboriginal people, their workplace policy, extreme religious views against medicine, or neoconservative views towards public services that got them brownie points in the electorate.

(actually, they probably watched the news where President Obama assassinated Osama Bin Laden, and the Republicans pretended to care about human rights, and a bunch of gullible followers did a complete 360 to follow their heroes- and think Australians are dumb enough to be more attracted to the party's unlikable personalities all along).

I think it is now DEFINITELY time to look for a new party to vote for.
Posted by King Hazza, Tuesday, 28 June 2011 10:06:29 AM
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I think we could all fall into the trap of tarring all Muslims with the same brush. We can't just have a blanket ban on one whole group of people, or their culture.
Imagine how that action would inflame the already mad ideas of the Muslim hardliners and fundamentalists, not only here, but in other countries?
This sort of attitude can cause wars!

The European countries (and others) who have had terrible atrocities perpetrated by Muslim extremists, have had a poor relationship with Muslim immigrants and multiculturalism in general.
This has resulted in death and mayhem in the name of Islam in those countries.

Australia seems to have avoided most of this anger against it's own people on our own soil. Could this be because most Australians do take a more relaxed attitude to immigrants and multiculturalism?

If we take the hard line and say we will take no more Muslim immigrants, or that if they come here, they must leave their religious and cultural practices behind them, then we will deserve the backlash that action will cause.
Posted by suzeonline, Tuesday, 28 June 2011 11:20:20 AM
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Kactuz,
Don't be too concerned about any Liberal change of policy to multiculturalism.

The first link you gave is a commentators opinion and the second link is an extract from the Age newspaper, which is left leaning.

Below is the actual words used in the speech by Abbott.

Quote: "With Geoffrey Blainey, I used to worry that multiculturalism would leave us a “nation of tribes”.

That was before I became executive director of Australians for Constitutional Monarchy and discovered that some of the Crown’s strongest supporters had not been born under it.

Liberals should never be more proud of our country than when migrants choose Australia.

They are the ultimate vindication of our country as a land of hope, reward and opportunity.

Migrants to Australia have always been determined to make the most of their new home by working hard, starting businesses and raising families.

That’s why the Liberal Party should be their natural political home".
Unquote:

I saw an interview with Abbott where he also said his approach had 'softened' to MC.

This is all vastly different to what is claimed that he was 'embracing' MC.

Still I am concerned that his attitude has softened because I think it should be tougher, if anything.

MC was being quietly discarded in the later term of the previous government and, until recently, was not even mentioned by the present government. Even Ministerial portfolio names were changed to delete the word multiculturalism, indicating it was no longer important.
Posted by Banjo, Tuesday, 28 June 2011 12:00:29 PM
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While we WASP and some times of convict stock.
While our very heart those who had parents and grand parents come in the post ww2 migration.
The one that made this country great.
May feel things are threatening, say we are unsure our fate is not in our hands.
Politicians, please understand, ALL OF THEM, think a bigger poorer but bigger Australia is needed.
We are on the way,l [gee grab Belly! stop him saying it!] look to the devisions in Europe Holland the Nordic country's the lot.
MOST Muslims are not the problem, BUT SOME ARE if militant Muslims did not want us to change there would be no problem.
Only from within the Muslim Community can the answers come.
In reference to that woman charging a police officer with a crime he never committed.
IT WAS HER GANGSTER gang that concerns me, the support from with in the Muslim community for this criminal is telling.
Those Muslims, and thousands are out their, who agree with me should speak up about people like Trad and his side kick, those gangster thugs out side the court.
INCLUSION is not a crime saying nothing is.
Posted by Belly, Tuesday, 28 June 2011 12:27:57 PM
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