Pakistan is known to be covertly supplying, training, equipping & sheltering the Taliban and several other groups (http://www.reuters.com/article/2010/07/26/idUSN25163580; http://www.theworld.org/2010/12/pakistan-funds-taliban/) while the ex-head of Afghanistan's Intelligence Network, Amrullah Saleh (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amrullah_Saleh; a Tajik from the Panshir Valley: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panjshir_Valley) has recently launched an Anti-Taliban, Northern-Alliance (Indian backed) based Political Party (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8kvCozBebwM), has criticized Kharzai as a Pakistani Puppet (Kharzai is a Pashtun, as are the Taliban, whom Kharzai wishes to make a deal with).

Why, given that the USA is in a $14 trillion hole, is it paying to field both sides in this war? Is it because of Pakistan's Nuclear Weapons? If so, why worry? Remove American Support for Pakistan and any Nuclear Weapons they do have will be taken out by the inestimably stronger Indian Armed Forces (India is about to overtake China as the most populated Country on Earth).

Allowing India to overrun Pakistan is about the only realistic option to bringing peace in Southern & South-West Asia at any time in the foreseeable future. Allowing the new Country (that lies where Pakistan is now) to split off Baluchistan into a new nation, while allowing Afghanistan to split along ethnic grounds is also a good option. The close ties between Tajikstan in the North and the Northern Alliance would see that area strengthened, while the lawless border areas would revert to Pashtun control.

Trying to hold everyone's hand in this war is nonsense, we cannot afford to field both armies and to incur casualties from weapons purchased with our & our allies aid money. True peace for Afghanistan lies in finding a Pashtun leader with enough strength to hold out against both Kharzai (whose brother was recently killed by NATO) and the Taliban themselves. Some of the anti-Pakistan rebels in Baluchistan might hold the key.

I mean, it is one of the worlds worst kept secrets, that the Taliban is really the only surviving Pashtun player from the last Afghan civil war (http://english.aljazeera.net/indepth/features/2011/03/2011314162928307158.html). They, with the help of the Pakistani Armed forces removed all the other outstanding Pashtun warlords (according to some estimates, the Taliban consisted of about 1/4 local Pashtuns and the rest were Pakistani "volunteers" at the time of September 11: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taliban & http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_war_in_Afghanistan_%281996%E2%80%932001%29). Nor is it a secret that the Northern Alliance had an Air Force base (built by the Soviets during the occupation) rebuilt entirely at the expense of India (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ayni_Air_Base & http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Farkhor_Air_Base) as well as a hospital built on the border of Tajikstan & Afghanistan.

All the current NATO/UN led initiatives are really achieving is to weaken various tribal warlords, for whom the Taliban is an overarching "home-guard" type movement, while strengthening others. All the while, other, more prudent, Pashtun nationalists (which is all the Taliban are) are working their way further and further into the corrupt Kharzai Government, with funding, weapons and training provided by our supposed ally, Pakistan. The very best outcome possible, playing by those rules, is to cause the rise of a non-Pakistani backed warlord, that can represent the areas that are predominantly Pashtun. Unfortunately, most have been killed by the Taliban (see above links).

Meanwhile, our "allies" are engaged in a spot of ethnic cleansing in the Baluchistan Province (Pakistan/Afghan Border : http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/mar/29/balochistan-pakistans-secret-dirty-war), where they are responsible for the deaths by torture of many, many Baluchi Nationalists (http://www.amnesty.org/en/news-and-updates/pakistan-must-provide-accountability-rising-atrocities-balochistan-2011-02-23).

Why on earth are we protecting these scum? While we continue to do so, we continue to ensure the virtual enslavement of Baluchistan, most of Afghanistan and continued terrorist attacks against our allies, our friends and ultimately, ourselves.

Meanwhile, the Baluchi-People have repeatedly requested the assistance of India (and the rest of the world), seeking independence from Pakistan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balochistan_conflict - the map form that page - http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6e/Major_ethnic_groups_of_Pakistan_in_1980.jpg) shows what the fighting is about (A free Baluchistan would be a major supplier of natural gas and would leave Pakistan landlocked and without resources). Pakistan would consist solely of the western Punjabi and tribal Pashtun areas, redistribution of which along ethnic lines would provide a solely Pashtun Afghanistan (which would solve most of the problems) while India would resume the remainder of the Punjab.

Removal of the export route for opium (produced mainly in the Helmand Province - bordering Baluchi-Pakistan) would bankrupt the Afghani Taliban (the Pakistani Taliban is only slightly related to the group of the same name in Afghanistan, the Pakistani Taliban is motivated almost solely by its desire to resist the Pakistani Army). When the Pakistani Army is reported to be advancing into Taliban territory, it is not clashing with its proxy in Afghanistan, but with internal elements who wish to remove the Pashtun areas from Pakistani control.

Allowing or supporting India in its absorption of Pakistan, or part thereof (to the Indus in the South and the Punjabi region in the north) would be the shortest route to decreasing tension in the area, particularly if it were accompanied by Indian Assistance to the Baluchi people to form an independent Baluchistan in the South (with the border at the Indus River & the upper junction of the same).

Pakistan has no real value, it is not an ally - it has played its friends false for far too long. It was the bastard child of Indian Independence, it was never truly considered and time is up. The west can not continue to prop up rotten regimes that bite the hand that feed. Its importance in the region came solely due to the Soviet occupation of Afghanistan in the 1980's and as a counterbalance to Iran. However, friends like this we don't need.

Guess what Aaron.The USA is covertly protecting the poppy fields that the Taliban destroyed prior 2001.Remember the heroine drought.Now Afghanistan under the auspices of the USA produce 90% of the world's heroine.A good little money spinner for the sale of arms to the Taliban by Western arms dealers.

The subject should be talked about.
Should be reviewed.
It is true that we just can not trust this country.
In my view unlikely we ever will be able to.
Its sins however do not equal those of Saudi Arabia.
Lies are currency and weapons in this part of the world.
As time passes my view has changed I doubt it is worth the costs we pay to *free* this part of the world.
Education , true education not blinded by a religion that seems no longer to care about it, is a better weapon than our blood.
Arjay, it gets harder to ignore your silly ideas.
I truly think you add to miss information, just maybe that is your aim.

Harrumph! Bloody right! Let's just nuke these people! Leave it to the Indies to bomb Pakistan, we can always get the Chinese to nuke the Indies if they get too big for their boots.

What about the Saudis though, can we get Israel to nuke them, along with Iran and Iraq?

Let's clean up the world in the only way we can be sure.

A clean slate, start again in a few hundred million years.
I know, we'll call it 'Project Noah' and retire to a few underground bunkers till the sun comes out again.

Good thinking old chap.

Pakistan is every bit as much a failed State as Libya, Syria & Afghanistan, the bulk of its expenditure is on its armed forces, which are needed to repress the bulk of its citizenry who want out. Meanwhile it is essentially fighting against the very people who are fighting so hard to keep it intact... One would hope that someone in the field of journalism would consider investigating the same. We cannot win the war on terror while we continue to pay for the fielding, training, equipping & indoctrination of those conducting the same.

I do find it rather disheartening that nobody has seriously considered the references (linked to) and the nature of the discussion. It is highly improbable that Nuclear weapons would be used, it is far more likely that the launch sites, etc. would be removed preemptively, whether by the Indian's or the Yanks, who knows? Pakistan is the greatest source of instability on the face of the Globe presently and we continue to support the same, while paying through the nose for the privilege. It is rare indeed to have the Guardian, Amnesty International, the UN and serious observer's in agreement. Maybe instead of flip comments, someone might actually consider what is written?

dont you realise they allready doing
all israel wants them to be doing

http://news.antiwar.com/2011/04/13/us-ignores-pakistan-warning-continues-drone-strikes/

i have been wondering how israel..would go the next stage
http://www.revoltoftheplebs.com/categories/features/egypts-islamists-the-big-bad-wolf/
first the pakies..then onto iran

http://www.revoltoftheplebs.com/categories/news-analysis/israel-worried-by-%e2%80%98weakening%e2%80%99-us/

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/12/world/asia/12pakistan.html?_r=4&smid=tw-nytimes

http://www.activistpost.com/2011/04/pakistan-tells-us-to-cut-cia-special.html
http://www.intifada-palestine.com/2011/04/judge-goldstone%E2%80%99s-wobble-sends-wrong-signal/

i wonderd how the mossad..
would generate its next destraction
[till it finally gets all them semites]

http://www.picassodreams.com/picasso_dreams/2011/04/cointelpro-techniques-for-dilution-misdirection-and-control-of-an-internet-forum.html
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2011/04/13/upcoming-action-move-over-aipac-time-for-a-new-middle-east-policy/

as the fleet prepares to sail to gazza

http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/israel-to-turkey-help-us-thwart-upcoming-gaza-flotilla-1.355595

heck read the signs

entrails for ya self

http://smokingmirrors.blogspot.com/2011/04/if-it-isnt-israel-then-it-must-be-space.html

http://www.redress.cc/americas/pjballes20110413
http://english.aljazeera.net/news/middleeast/2011/04/2011412152947529736.html

http://www.revoltoftheplebs.com/categories/rogues-gallery/the-goldstone-affair-the-loyal-zionist-judge-who-came-in-from-the-cold/

http://thefreenews.info/2011/04/11/israels-missile-shield-makes-history/

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/israels-president-warns-un-declaration-palestinian-independence-isnt-20110407-115244-163.html

http://dailybail.com/home/judge-napolitano-when-it-comes-to-war-there-is-no-difference.html

http://desertpeace.wordpress.com/2011/04/14/palestine-optimism-and-change/

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/04/14/clinton-nato-afghanistan-taliban_n_849210.html

http://revolutionarypolitics.tv/video/viewVideo.php?video_id=14569
http://www.revoltoftheplebs.com/categories/features/goldstone-report-co-authors-turn-on-goldstone/

http://mycatbirdseat.com/2011/04/grant-f-smith-us-israel-trade-espionage-theft-secrets/

http://www.globes.co.il/serveen/globes/docview.asp?did=1000638615&fid=942

http://www.revoltoftheplebs.com/categories/occupied-palestine/why-does-israel-have-a-veto-over-the-peace-process/

http://www.gilad.co.uk/writings/gilad-atzmon-let-us-talk-about-jewishness.html

http://www.physorg.com/news/2011-04-disables-coreflood-botnet-seizes-servers.html

http://www.revoltoftheplebs.com/categories/rogues-gallery/israels-fm-charged-with-graft/

http://revolutionarypolitics.tv/video/viewVideo.php?video_id=14577
http://revolutionarypolitics.tv/video/viewVideo.php?video_id=14575

http://revolutionarypolitics.tv/video/viewVideo.php?video_id=14574
http://www.revoltoftheplebs.com/categories/features/jewish-american-power-feed-an-israeli-starve-an-american/

http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/KILLINGJESUSFAMILY.php
http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/dyinginafghanistan.php
http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/ARTICLE5/index.php

Aaron you amaze me.Join the dots.Every Muslim country invaded has either oil,gas or other resources like $ trillions of Lithium in Afghanstan.Iraq was a lie ,there were no weapons of mass destruction but there was lots of oil.Now they are looking for a good excuse to invade Iran and steal their oil.Iran has not one nuke but Israel has 200+.Why are there not weapons inspectors in Israel?

good point arjay
http://www.weaponstoisrael.org/section.php?id=360

the alleged "Al-Qaeda" (which means, in colloquial Arabic,"The Toilet") is absolutely an invention of the CIA,..created as the 21st century's"Emanuel Goldstein";..a figure conjured to bring fear..and terror..to the hearts of the non-thinking.

just as others beatup fear with tall-i-ban
its a filthy con game..designed to make perptual war
http://www.activistpost.com/2011/04/its-official-arab-spring-subversion-is.html
^It's Official:"Arab Spring"..Subversion is US Funded^

http://www.presstv.ir/detail/174500.html
In an interview with Press TV, political analyst from Damascus Taleb Ibrahim says that al-Qaeda..and the CIA are working together to make a kind of real argument..for them to stay in Persian Gulf states and have a military presence in the[arab/semite]..region,[s]

not only to deploy forces..but also to exploit oil resources.[and bring in the drugs..with rendition flights of fancy]
ferrying it around the globe..
with cia impunity..run by mossad smarts
http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2011/04/us-failed-state-because-it-wont.html

not only does israel/agents..run govt..[in usa/australia/briton/eu..etc]

it also is big player..in banking finance media law
propaganda farming..industry unions...

even protest groups..you name it
http://www.revoltoftheplebs.com/categories/features/zionist-oil-speculators-breaking-the-back-of-america/

http://dailybail.com/home/william-black-on-npr-its-a-wall-street-government.html

lol black*
check out the names
http://dailybail.com/home/goldman-sachs-ceo-lloyd-blankfein-could-face-criminal-prosec.html
""Goldman*Sachs*CEO Lloyd Blankfein* Could Face Criminal Prosecution For Role In Financial Crisis:Sen. Carl Levin*

This is a fairly detailed piece by Shahien*Nasiripour.

It is worth reading in full at its source.. The only thing missing from Levin's report..is a perjury recommendation for Henry Paulson*...""lol
http://dailybail.com/home/matt-taibbi-justice-department-has-no-appetite-to-take-any-c.html
^Matt Taibbi "Justice Department
Has No Appetite To Take ANY Cases..Against Wall Street Executives"^

its mossad policy
to immediatly get into every* new group
[to get in on the ground floor
of anyone who can hope to change anything]
http://revolutionarypolitics.tv/video/viewVideo.php?video_id=14588

scratch the surface..you see behind the scenes
a zionist 'helping'..by controling
the faceless men..so to speak

julia/anna etc will be right into this
because her adviser run her..just like the other advisers run others

think who is vp for obama

when will your master be content
when will you lot seek to make peace
not perpetual propaganda deptive adjendas and wars

god is love
live with it

its not worth dying for
http://desertpeace.wordpress.com/2011/04/15/another-senseless-murder-in-gaza-the-struggle-will-continue/

ya think god[sustaining ALL of us to live]..
http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2011/04/nuclear-power-killing-unborn.html

..is pleased by others killing life
ONLY he can make live?

http://www.lexrex.com/enlightened/articles/warisaracket.htm
http://revolutionarypolitics.tv/video/viewVideo.php?video_id=14589

What & how can the dots connect Israel and the Pakistani Government's decision to continue taking aid from us and our allies with one hand, while continuing to fund the very people fighting against our Soldiers and those of the Afghan Army? What do you think, that Amrullah Saleh is a Mossad Plant? He fought with Ahmad Shah Massoud (the Lion of the Panjshir: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahmad_Shah_Massoud - assassinated by Al-Quaeda 09/09/2001) and then with the Northern Alliance (Massoud was continually denied weapons by the CIA)? He comes from and retains the support of the fiercely independent (predominantly Tajik) Panjshir Region and is a Muslim.

These and the neighbouring regions are the people being supported by India (which also has more nukes than Iran) and which will need every bit as much oil as China in the next decade (which will also exceed EU/USA Demand). The thread is about Afghanistan and the internal war that is being played out by us, the US, NATO, the UN & Indian proxies against the Taliban (the wholly owned & funded subsidiary of Pakistan).

How in your mind does Israel somehow get involved? This is a regional dispute between Iran's neighbour's to the east & north, being played out in Afghanistan, it has no conceivable link between Israel and anyone else (except in fantasy land I suppose). How come no-one ever focuses on the fact that India is also a MAJOR Nuclear Power (as is China) with no weapons inspectors?

You ignore ACTUAL untold truths (even Amnesty International & the Guardian accept them) of what is going on, what is happening continually, who and what is causing the death/disfigurement of our troops (and our allies troops)? You are so caught up in Conspiracies (which presumably include Amnesty International/etc) that you are deaf to the entreaties of the people on the ground? Maybe with a little digging, you'll discover WHY so many people support Pakistan and it has NOTHING whatever to do with Israel, although it may have something to do with NeoCon's (whoever they are) & their dislike of India.

I didn't know that Iran had any nuclear weapons Aaron1975. But I do know from the revelations of Israeli whistle blower and hero Mordechai Vanunu, that the Israeli's do indeed possess nuclear weapons technology.

It may have been thought necessary by the people who supplied Israel with such offensive capability, to do so when they did ?.

It does however up the ante in the Middle East, in relation for the potential for catastrophe.

The supply of oil and the supply of pain killers or other valuables/essentials have always been linked; and are, the product of war and human nature. Only those countries that can guarantee themselves supply of all the essentials, can consider themselves victorious in war, and truly free, when it is all said and done.

Donald Trump said so much about ancient concepts of war, in a recent extremist rant as part of the preamble, in his bid for the White House.

The Middle East focus is the reason why we have haven't already swung our attention to the Sth America's, where the worlds remaining oil reserves are located, and the suppliers of Nth America's favourite recreational analgesic, cocaine, exist. The Russians and Europe are now bearing the brunt of the Heroin problem, leaving the Yanks less interested in a solution in Pakistan/Afghanistan to the poppy crops.

The next battle front will be in Sth America, if the Middle East implodes into irredeemable conflict. Truly worrying times Aaron1975

Given Mossad's incredible reputation for thoroughness and it's taste for "false-flag" operations, I'm always amused when people cite a semi-literate, known-pacifist, with no relevant technical skills, supposed disclosure of the, worst kept secret weapons factory in the world. I don't believe I've ever seen any record of an Israeli Nuclear Test however... Israel had unlimited access to Uranium ore as a result of its Military Support (Import/Export) to South Africa

As for Iran, they are working on Nuclear Weapons, India already has them (and has tested them quite openly) as has Pakistan. Unfortunately for Pakistan, they have very little prospect of competing with their larger, extremely belligerent neighbour when it comes to building anything (for starters, they don't have the access, even the Russian's aren't dumb enough for that). The real Nuclear Powers remain the EU, USA, Russia, China & India, of course, the various alliances make more troubling reading.

a-ron/quote""I don't believe I've ever seen any record of an Israeli Nuclear Test""

if you allready 'know they work'
there is no need to test

is mossad so inept as to steal the data
then build duds

recall ge did most of usa building/testing
they also could be said to be inocent..
despite holding all the capacity and test data

next yiou will have 'proof' theygot no nukes
that star wars defence system wasnt to defend the blue star
and more correctly could be called the blue star war's offence system

""As for Iran,they are working on Nuclear Weapons,""
thats crapppp and you nose it
they infoirm the oversight agency
accept the mossad agents[inspecters]
accept the styxnet sabotage..

unlike israel that cant even accept
those who own their land..have a right to use their own land
have a right to acces thweir land without zionist oppresion...

germany never bombed the gulags..
the same cant be said for those stealing semite lands..
while wearing the cloak of poor me...what about them

lets not forget the copoes
who picked out those too sick to work
were jews..[and only one third of those gassed were jew]

6 million
the blue star has 6 sides
6 intersecting points
6 small triangles

whats with this magic number 6
pretending to be a nine
poor blooming you

"The real Nuclear Powers remain the EU"
so as germany controls the eu
the natzies now got nukes

your too clever by half aaaaaron,
a true child of zion...

[go on
cry on..
poor you]

fool the goyum once shame on me
fool the clay goyan hundreds of times shame on you

those who dont recall the past
will endlessly repeat it

[cast lead 2]
http://uruknet.com/?p=m76915&hd=&size=1&l=e
[flotilla 2]
http://uruknet.com/?p=m76911&hd=&size=1&l=e
http://www.redress.cc/americas/ldavidson20110418
http://whatreallyhappened.com/content/people-power-are-certifiably-insane
[stop trying to rewrite it]

Still everyone else has been caught ONLY through testing, makes you wonder, I mean Cui Bono? Surely Israel wouldn't have benefited from a false leak that Dimona was more advanced than it was, or would it?

By that yardstick, I cannot imagine any workers from the Indian, Pakistani or Iranian Nuclear sites being "Allowed" to leave the respective countries, let alone go backpacking around the world... Of course, even if he was set up, he still released information that he had been told was Top Secret, thus the jail sentence.

As to India, they have conducted several tests (http://www.fas.org/nuke/guide/india/nuke/) while Pakistan is demanding that they not be admitted to the exclusive club of Nuclear Powers, with control over who has access to what (http://in.reuters.com/article/2011/01/25/idINIndia-54400920110125), I suspect that deal will be a quid-pro-quo for the American's continued support for Pakistan over Baluchistan.

When dealing with Nuclear weapons, especially in South/South-Western Asia, India is the regional Superpower. Which has squared off several times with not only Pakistan but also China in recent times (it has Mig-29's, at least one Aircraft Carrier and an awful lot of shiny new equipment).

The dynamic is quite interesting, India has refused to fall into either camp completely, it has some Russian, some American, some British arms and material, which all up gives it a considerable advantage over anyone else in the region (except their neighbour to the north).

Israel is a mid-weight bit player on the far-western edge of Asia. It has successfully armed itself so that it is not in serious danger (defensively) from anyone. The only "supplier" country that has armed itself enough for the coming years is Iran and that won't be sufficient for long. Neither are involved in this conflict.

neuther may be provoking this
or both might..but the only surity
is israel is still oppressing its semite/arabs..

thus any who monger for war
[without fixing their own house first]
is regarded as destracting from the main game
*[the genocide of palistinians and stealing their lands]

yes its easier to say
lets drop depleted uranium on the pakies
just like we dropped it on other arabs..and the latest libiya

[who alone with israel*
have in recent times..dropped micro bomlets
[cluster bombs..;..made in usa]..on civilians..

along with depeted tipped bombs
[it seems its a deliberate attempt
to mutate their kids into the monsters..zionists want/need them to be]

in short there is a certain warmongering
supirority in those of zion..constantly calling for more war

the crimes in the name of israel need be fixed first
lerts see if we can actually end a long/long war
..before beating up the next one

fear and lies is no way to serve god
who gives arabs their life as much as zionist israelie jews

to kill anyone demeans god
who alone sustains all living
jews have had a fair run at ruling it over the goy
its time they returned to 'their' homeland
and made peace in their own backyard..

before beating up for more pieces
in the yards of others

make peace
not pieces
time to end war..
and stop mongering for more war

i dont know you from adam
but i do know of the works
of those claiming to be the only people of god

your lust of making war
reveals the delusion

you think to serve god...[life]
..but realise your WAR's..are serving satan..[death]

*peace not pieces*