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Industrial Relations -cover for a dictatorship of the proletariat?

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Gee, that's so 1950s I now feel like getting out my old Elvis Presley LP collection to listen to a few tunes.

You seem to have an ideological objection to people like electricians and plumbers earning $150,000 pa. Weird.

My nephew is an electrician, employed by a private company, and his salary has not gone below $160,000 pa for the past several years. And like nearly all people on decent salaries, he earns every cent via knowledge, education and hard hard work.

Mate, because an electrician earned $15 pw in 1950, don't expect them to earn slave wages today.

I've got news for you, the year is now 2010. Maybe it's time to give away all the commie proletariat rhetoric. You being such an ideological dinosaur makes it hard to take anything you write seriously.
Posted by Tboy, Saturday, 16 October 2010 11:59:25 AM
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TBOY... an electrician can qualify after a 12 month course.

He can extend with a few other modules.. 'certificate 3 and 4'

They don't take that much time.

$160k for that ? it's outrageous and could only happen through the bald face GREED of unions like the ETU.

The problem you don't seem to realize is that MANY other people in society are much more highly trained than sparkies. I am one of them.
Every engineer is another example. Find how many average engineers.. 3 or 4 yr degree blokes..who are getting that kind of money.

We can all just 'strike' and hold the country to ransom..the Warfies tried it..and finally got their number..and the sparkies will get theirs too.
See you (and/or) your nephew outside the ETU offices eh ?

The idea that we can pay people 'what they want' is way beyond unsustainable, but when you don't care about your fellow countrymen or the nations economic health..but just care about YOU alone and SCREW the country the community and the nation..well.. you can use thuggery to bludgeon the rest of us into paying 'your demands'.. well.. just remember something.. 'we reap what we sow'

My thinking is as up to date as the events on our streets in 2010.
Perhaps you live out beyond the black stump?

"What" makes a sparkie worth $160k? is it 'training' ? 'intelligence' ? 'value to the community' ?
Nope.. only one thing can do it.. 'extortion'.
Posted by ALGOREisRICH, Saturday, 16 October 2010 12:15:36 PM
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Ok now I understand. You're engaged in a 50s style ideological class war. Can't let the unworthy peasants earn too much can we. Nope, let them eat cake, and God Save The Queen.

Do you 'really' take yourself seriously? Or is all this just an elaborate joke?
Posted by Tboy, Saturday, 16 October 2010 1:13:08 PM
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But Al, it's not just unions or Fabians perpetuating this problem. How do you explain a solarium burnt tart on the TV earning more than a surgeon? Or a concretor making more than an engineer? Or a drugged up footballer making more than a scientist?

Not all of these disparities were coerced by union thugs or Fabian socialists. Even in a liberal free society, these disparities would still exist, that's just the way it is. Society places a value on labour through needs and wants, not through how much education you have. Which kind of highlights the ludicrous nature of regulation by government in the market place.

Are you suggesting we regulate how much we value a persons labour by the amount of education they have? How would we bring this about, via government coercion perhaps? Isn't that exactly what you're arguing against?
Posted by RawMustard, Saturday, 16 October 2010 2:52:50 PM
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RAW... you make a good point there. We need to look closer to the 'earning potential' of a person... irrespective of their training.

I have no real argument with the footballer getting a wad of money because the 'earning power' of his efforts are very high for all concerned. Same with the cute babe on TV so to speak.

Sparkies are tradies. (so am I..though I now run a business) tradies are closely connected to mum and dad and the mortgate and the cost of a home. Their earning power is straightforward "labor in..x $$ out" A value is placed on the work of a sparkie.. who wires up homes, installs your meter etc.. in the Trades and professions we need to place relative value on education and ability. This includes intelligence. over 700 blokes applied for the training I received with the 35 others who passed them. The other 665 did not pass. But many of them WOULD have been accepted into the electrical trades. That's why our pay scale was higher in the RAAF (Group7) than the sparkies (Group 6) and the engine fitters and air frame blokes were down further, with 'general hands' (Laborers) at the lowest rate of pay.

TBOY..no, it's not 'me' in this class war it's the ETU and CFMEU...

You insult all of us with your lame "peasants earn too much" bit.. a) they don't 'earn' $150k a year.. they just get paid it, and second.. how can you call a sparkie getting $150k a year a peasant ?

The peasants are the poor buggers who are out fruit picking and the like, or pushing trollies around at k-mart.

I can guarantee sparkies would NOT be getting such outrageous pay for such low skilled work were it not for thuggish unions bullying and extortion. And 'extortion' it is. No other name for it.

Remember how 'suddenly and unexpectedly' ALL sparkies/linesmen developed the 'flue' during the bone cooking heat when the Yallourn dispute was running hot ? "That" is extortion and now we pay more for our electricity
Posted by ALGOREisRICH, Saturday, 16 October 2010 3:09:07 PM
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If nothing else your private class war is entertaining. Nice ideology there; keep those nasty tradies in their place, they're barely educated, they're bludgers, they're the reason for high house prices, they don't "earn" their money. Nice one buddy. Nice personal class war you have going on there.
Posted by Tboy, Saturday, 16 October 2010 3:25:49 PM
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