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Can we really afford 'clean energy'?

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hasbeen,
I have no stats about jobs, what I said was my own observations from previous big changes. The types of jobs changed but people adapted and/or moved to where the jobs were. I wasn't aware of the Spain situation.

nairge,
Now i think of it there were a couple of other issues with solar hot water systems. Pipes on roof would burst in frosty weather and if a pipe burst in the roof cavity it flooded the house and caused lots of damage. People got into trouble with burst pipes after they installed insulation, as the insulation stopped the warmth from the house entering the roof space and thus the pipes froze and burst.

Sounds good with a quick look but I suggest the solar hot water systems be gone into thoroughly. maybe these things have been overcome but still am cautious.
Posted by Banjo, Monday, 12 July 2010 10:37:12 PM
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carbon capture and storage. S Korea in investing billions to they can still buy our coal
Posted by Grant Musgrove, Tuesday, 13 July 2010 4:56:51 PM
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Hasbeen and other sundry Luddite doomsayers,
As usual you show the imagination and knowledge of one of those low intellectual achievers you rail against.

If you looked a little wider at history you'll find it is full of groups of people who feared different technology, because it would destroy jobs and economy etc, they were called "Luddites". In my lifetime I've heard several, it'll be the end of jobs.....Remember the computer age, the paperless office et al. All were touted at the time as killing jobs.
Reality bites there are more people involved employed now that pre computer age, more paper is used than the pre the the electronic ages.
Going back to your mental times giving women the right to vote, have jobs, the pill cars, were all going to end society. Guess what... it didn't happen.

In the 60's 75% of the jobs today didn't exist then. What's more 40% of the jobs then, no longer exist.
I was trialled for an apprenticeship as a lithographic camera operator in the printing industry....fortunately I bombed out (wrong attitude). 4 years later the trade ceased to exist.
My point my Luddite friends, is that we are spitting into the wind trying to ascertain jobs for the future.The way that technology is advancing, doubling every 6 months in computers, we have no idea what careers children leaving primary school today will do when they graduate high school.i.e. 16 years ago most of the mobile phone industry jobs didn't exist. 18 ago most net jobs didn't exist. and for your benefit much of the medical science care and management for those with mentally limitations i.e. those with RIPLS were doomed. (oh yes, Recalcitrant Incurable Political Luddite Syndrome)
PS if you are going to wave history around, at least read the relevant parts or be prepared to accept the ignominy of being labeled a fool by history.
Posted by examinator, Tuesday, 13 July 2010 5:59:08 PM
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Examinator. you have posted some garbage here, in the past but this one is a beaut. The only word that describes the "statistics" you have posted is a four letter one, that starts with c, & ends with p.

Do you get these figures of yours out of the air, or some other place they suggest.

The only reason to be frightened of the technology you greenies promote is because it is a total failure, & very expensive failure at that.

If you want to argue, please refute some of the facts regarding wind solar & other rubbish failures that have been presented, not produce such meaningless rubbish.

What has made you so angry with the real world? Did the libs knock you back as a candidate, or something?
Posted by Hasbeen, Tuesday, 13 July 2010 7:23:15 PM
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Hasbeen and others (part 1)
Thank you for your gut response. Clearly assuming merely suggesting different lines of thought is inadequate.

The stats are available (albeit not in the Murdock press).
Consider the jobs of the 60's and compare them to today, they are so different as to say the old ones effectively (Functionally/skills wise) no longer exist.

Then 60% Aussies worked in unionised production (environments), today the % *far* smaller.

Many job defining functions no longer in say motor vehicle and white goods manufacture (i.e. spray painters , spot welders etc).
Those jobs that do ,do so largely in name only. Computers controlled robots, technology etc.

Even shop assistant is very different, Check out chicks/console operators didn't exist. Bowser Jockeys, counter sales gone.

Radio shack (Tandy)Dick Smith didn't exist in Aust.

Even motor mechanics job skills are radically different, vehicle servicing fuel management computers etc
The ATO business used ledger cards, now computer loss of jobs? Once typing was a defining skill, now it's knowledge of Computer Applications.
Whole industries didn't exist and others have gone i.e. most printing trades ...gone replaced by a few different ones.

The tourist industry didn't really exist 62 the biggest building on the gold coast was 8 stories and wasn't for visitors. No big hotels. Chevron Island was still being built.
You could go to booths on the beach and have them play your favourite song, get an sun tanning oil spray.
Posted by examinator, Wednesday, 14 July 2010 9:16:11 AM
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Part 2
Most medical/science career specialisations today simply didn't exist then.
In the early 60's plate tectonics was new, space exploration didn't exist nor did all the technologies that revolutionised our world.
IN FACT.
My self and 3 of my children made/make careers in fields that DID NOT exist while we were in primary school.

The point, my political commentator is that 90% of jobs that were are so different now that if you got a worker from then and put him in 'the job' today, he would be lost, ergo the job as he knew it no longer exists.

As for green technology most of the myopic (political) commentary is predicated on what exists in the popular knowledge today not what is coming, Either in trial mode or is possible/plausible.

Your rant over 'geny' power is so out of date as to be quaint not applicable today.
The premise to your argument is locked in / bounded by 'political party dogma', which is based on seeking 'political' (commercial interests) power not betterment for people.
We can't afford not to move to the next level

PS my tone was to show you that absolutism and insult is pointless and will bring you undone. See my comments about meaningful conversation V great unwashed political rant.

Have a good one.
Posted by examinator, Wednesday, 14 July 2010 9:21:59 AM
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