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The return of Macarthyism... soon.
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Posted by ALGOREisRICH, Saturday, 26 June 2010 11:02:37 AM
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Hmmmmm, ok Boaz (agir), why did you post this? Come on now, be "honest" and tell us the "real" reasons.
Posted by benq, Saturday, 26 June 2010 3:59:14 PM
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benq - it's all part of the amorphous global conspiracy between the Greens and Capitalists who are all really Communists in disguise... or something like that.
The odious Beck is Boazy's latest hero. At least he's a bit more contemporary lately than he was in his previous incarnations, when he sang the praises of Oswald Mosley et al. Posted by CJ Morgan, Saturday, 26 June 2010 4:33:29 PM
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Hi Benq.. the reason I posted that, was to
a) Expose readers to a very entertaining and hyper popular, genuine news commentator (Beck) who is single handedly transforming America. b) To alert people of the huge dangers of not knowing history, which has been spun and re-shaped by leftist academia to create a 'victim' mentality in minorities for nefarious political purposes. For example. Just today, in Becks studio audience.. a mix of white and black, he interviewed David Barton founder of Wallbuilders, http://www.wallbuilders.com/LIBissuesArticles.asp?id=88 The issue of focus was 'true history.. black and white' where the show exposed the diabolical left wing 'victim' mantra which they have been peddling for so long that Americans don't even know how many black were involved in the founding and fighting to establish the country. The left cannot survive unless it has a "victim class".. as Jed Brandt clearly said here: @ 3.04 in the vid. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z32DMjaLDA4 "We have to bring this sytem down.... That means increasing the alienation of working class....." And there you have it. Unfortunately for Brandt, his myth of 'black oppression' in 'this system' is just that..a myth created by the Left to further it's communist agenda. We are not ignorant of the civil war..and the element of slavery there..but the 'this system' which Brandt is referring to is the NEW one..the one which WON..and which abolished slavery.. 'that' is the system Brandt and his watermelon leftoid green/communists are wanting to tear down. Beck completely exposes the breathtaking hypocrisy and 'up there in cloud cuckoo land' mythology of the left, and its transparent lies about history. No wonder the academic left is attacking him. Go Glen :) For the Australian contextualization of Becks message.. those on the left here also will be completely exposed.. held up naked for all to see their shameful political devience and exploitation of any who they feel are "useful". This of course includes but is not limited to: -Indian Students. -Assylum seekers. -Work Choices type policies. -Environmental issues, in particular 'Climate Change'. Posted by ALGOREisRICH, Saturday, 26 June 2010 6:04:35 PM
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Glen Beck is a whore of the very Banksters who created GFC for their own gain.AIR is a sad comedy of his own errors.
Posted by Arjay, Saturday, 26 June 2010 6:56:53 PM
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I have to say I love the guy. He is a classic. I know Colbert is a take off of Bill O'Reilly but who can satirise Beck?
Jon Stewart gives it a go here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nNOku6QP4UM But he can't out do the man himself. Glenn Beck is a walking caricature of himself. I did enjoy seeing him get slammed on the View but I by the end of it I just felt sorry for him and wanted to say "Leave the poor guy alone." http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SsBvEnaXtgo The only thing that spoils it a little for me is knowing he plays the character, to what degree I don't know but to think he actually might believe this stuff would be too good to be true. Glen Beck you rock, far funnier than Comedy Central. Posted by csteele, Saturday, 26 June 2010 11:25:26 PM
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Gee, thanks Boaz (agir) for your reply to my questions. At least your not embarrassed by your "beliefs" and that's a good thing ...... that way we know exactly where you're coming from then.
I see you're part of the "Guns For God" squad ....... you know, the far right wing American Christian Fundamentalist movement that had it's origins in the USA in the late 1800s. It was a movement that broke away from conventional worldwide Christian belief of the time. At least we now know that your social "beliefs" belong to the rigidly politicised and rigidly politically correct USA "Guns For God" squad. We can see that clearly from the language within your reply to me. If you wish to "believe" that blacks have not been disadvantaged and that it's all just a wicked communist plot and an evil conspiracy from the hated left....... then good on you ol' chum. I'm sure you and Jesus share exactly the same view, as you are no doubt aware. Yep, Jesus and Boaz (agir) make a great team. Happily the Jesus I know is NOTHING like the Jesus you know ..... thank God! If you were a bit more like the Jesus I know, you'd be a totally different person. A whole heap of s * * t is often thrown in God's name...... you'd know a bit about that wouldn't you Boaz (agir)! Posted by benq, Sunday, 27 June 2010 1:02:55 AM
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Our Boazy is so far right that he is out of sight of conservatives.
Lost in a Wil Robinson space of his own. Yet just maybe in this thread the accuser could fill in for mad Mac and those he blames could be his victims. A much more believable out come. Posted by Belly, Sunday, 27 June 2010 5:45:54 AM
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Oh no....not another one these espousing the great benefactor....no wait.....or was it the great Satan?
All I see in this thread is another attempted assault on Australian values and culture by trying to import and impose Seppo fanaticism into our lives. For goodness sake get it straight once and for all we are not interested in the fundamentalist, fanatical goings on in Seppo-land. Many of us know it and recognise it for what it is......totally repulsive. Their country is not/not an example of world’s best practises for us to emulate, we as a country are far superior in so many ways that in all honesty it’s the Seppo’s whom should be emulating our systems, our values, our morality, our tenets and our philosophies. We are opposite in many ways take for example our inherent policies regarding social benefits schemes which in their eyes amounts to consummate communism, something they would prefer to use their humongous WMD to top themselves rather than adopt for the benefit of all their own citizens. How weird is that? Oh don’t get me wrong I love American movies and music especially Motown stuff, CCR and lotsa others but hey thats entertainment for ya, anything else gets the chained pulled.....oops showing my age there.....I meant push the button. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jD3SkTyXzcE http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8-YMpYbRqY&feature=related Posted by Westralis, Sunday, 27 June 2010 8:01:33 AM
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Al, I had known of Beck but your link sent me on an hour of comprehensive text and youtube investigation, and an hour is all it takes.
The guy is a charlatan, and like all accomplished charlatans his patter has some fact behind it that may in the public’s interest to broadcast, because it is not being addressed by the lefty vested media. But he talks some garbage all the same, all meant to feed his ego with kudos. I place Beck along side the eco nazis when it comes to credibility because they are both being directed. Further apart from the "issue" these people have no other perspective on life, great attribute for a cancer researcher but a poor one for a social engineer, they tend to loose sight of realities. The outcome is less important than the participation for these people so their conviction is flawed, for them it is self promoting not “issue” solving. You have to applaude Beck for his gall, I found instances of his lying and being caught a few times, then again he is in showbiz, so I suppose seeing it is fiction he can lie and distort all he likes, as long as people look and listen to him when he performs Posted by sonofgloin, Sunday, 27 June 2010 2:03:23 PM
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Westralis: >> Oh don’t get me wrong I love American movies and music especially Motown stuff, CCR and lotsa others...oops showing my age there. <<
Westy I an getting sick of you alluding to your aged fragility it is "the same old song" I want to know "what's going on" because "I heard it through the grapevine" that you are a "fortunate son" who considers their blessings "came out of the sky" but can get "uptight" and filled with "superstition" if you find people "dancing in the streets" and you say to yourself "hey tonight" is not a night with "nowhere to run" not even "up around the bend". So lay off the aged stuff, your still at your "abc"s. Posted by sonofgloin, Sunday, 27 June 2010 2:40:10 PM
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Well here is another bucket of grain for the soup. You have the rusted on Labour supporters and the rusted on Lib supporters, then you have the youth looking for the saviour but with no previous experience. If you always do what you have always done you don't change the product. Last week Labour changed the packaging not the product, same destination. Can you see the wood for the trees. Listened to T Abbott last night. He spoke correctly when he said ALL make bubu's. Jesus came to die for All not just the goody goody's for we all stuff up or miss the mark (sin). It is an individual choice what we chose to believe. History matters or we repeat past mistakes. It always astounds me how our mind digests information and accepts or rejects it, according to our world view. eg The hollicost is just Jew propaganda, The Nazi where Christians not Socialists. Christians think they are BETTER not just forgiven. Truth " There but for the grace of God goes I."
Posted by Richie 10, Monday, 28 June 2010 3:38:22 AM
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CJ.lol. Please leave the poor god people to their dieing beliefs in the political worlds of no return. When ever I hear some-one fight for the worker, I cant help but think of the slaves that built the pyramid,s. Even they were given free health care.
Greedy little so and so,s/. They seem to forget, without the workers, their f..ked. Talk about bites the hand that feeds them. Maybe David, the world as one just might be what the doc orders. Arrr. The gape between the rich and the poor just seems to grow and grow. The problem is, who will be the fat little piggies when they come hunting for, when the winds of change comes around? What you give, is what you get in re-turn. I just love Carma. TTM Posted by think than move, Monday, 28 June 2010 5:24:10 AM
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Dear Benq
Nothing quite like a bit of disagreement to animate a thread :) Your therapy begins...*now* I love how you go from suspect politics to extremly dodgy theology... 1/ You deduce )wrongly) that I claim 'blacks have never been disadvantaged'. 2/ You appear to claim to know Jesus ? Would I be correct on '2' in assuming it is the "Liberal" Jesus who is-more the product of the dry documentary hypothesis, Bultmanian demythologyzation, touchy feely Spongian "Jesus doesn't mind gay behavior", -the Jesus of History rather the "Christ-of-faith" ala the Shweitzerian Geschichte der Leben-Jesu-Forschung Or..would it be the Biblical one ? We should differentiate which "Jesus" you know... for future reference. The one I know.. is the one who spoke both compassionately and harshly. Harsh to those with vested economic interests in maintaining a false human tradition rather than embracing the Kingdom of God, and compassionately to the genuinely downtrodden. On the 'communist plot' lets to some checklising of your position? -I've never read the communist manifesto......check -I have never read any Socialist Web site claiming we need 'revolution'....check. -Communists NEVER EVER portray themselves in ways which they believe will advance their cause with a naive community....check It seems Benny you are as confused about your Marx as you are about your Jesus. But the 'Guns for God' bit ? mate..fortunately for me...I had not yet made my normally obligatory 'pre olo' morning milo.. Hysterical :) truly hysterical. Posted by ALGOREisRICH, Monday, 28 June 2010 7:35:25 AM
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But, Benny..back to politics :) and your wildly hysterical and erroneous assertions.
(Was that 'Equal' you dropped in your Latte this morning or lsd ?) BENQ -*There has never been, is not and never will be a communist plot to snatch power* Check -*Blacks have never been treated with equality in any part of America...ever* Check. -*Beck is not the messiah* Check (thought u'd love that one -grin) CSTEEL.. the 'lie' of Beck was his mildly dramatic over characterization of Barbara Walters... was it not ? But the point of his commentary on that show was the 'you can't reserve seats' which they didn't deny. He was spot on with Woopie..but on Walters he used the 'evil' tone :) So, essentially.. he portrayed the facts at issue correctly but was a bit over the top in his portrayal of Walters. And this means ? Ok..let's guess. When he says 1/ George Soros was a major funder of the "Centre for Emerican Progress" 2/ That Soros had 'not a little' to do with choosing "John Podesta" as the CEO. 3/ That Podesta and his gang picked the team and wrote the game play of Obama's regime. It's all "melodramatic Beckian 'lies'" ? Are you actually suggesting that ? Let Podesta himself answer: http://www.americanprogress.org/experts/PodestaJohn.html Most recently, Podesta served as co-chair of President Obama’s transition, where he coordinated the priorities of the incoming administration’s agenda, oversaw the development of its policies, and spearheaded its appointments of major cabinet secretaries and political appointees. Wellllllll.....blow me down with a feather.. Beck was 100% correct. OH WAIT.. there is an error :) "Co Chaired" not "Chaired"...oops sorry Posted by ALGOREisRICH, Monday, 28 June 2010 7:50:35 AM
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Actually I thought this thread was going to be about comrade Conroy’s attempts to censor the internet.
McCarthy was a moment in time, an aberration, if you like which lasted a decade before being discredited. Its worst aspect was to expose so-called communists and limit their work opportunities. Of course, we have to put McCarthyism into a context of what it was opposing at the time. The opportunity which McCarthy exploited was the natural disgust and anathema Americans were feeling for Stalin and the collectivist/communist political abomination, which eventually imploded on itself in fabulous style in 1989, after 70 years of systematic oppression. Now we can consider McCarthy as an ‘evil’ but let’s face, he was a small evil compared to internment and death camps and the millions of lives destroyed by Communism, not just dead but those who thought differently to Lenin, Stalin or any of their successors suffered far more than those who thought differently to McCarthy, just as Boris Pasternak could attest and as Solzhenitsyn famously said I can say without affectation that I belong to the Russian convict world no less than I do to Russian literature. I got my education there, and it will last forever. Thats what happens when you write what any (invariably) oppressive collectivist state does now want people to read. And it is a lot more corrupt and disgusting a system than McCarthyism could ever be. But the world is full of fools and now we see left wing thinking ascending as a new generation forgets the lessons of history to put their unproven beliefs into the levelling cesspool of collectivism, by any name, be that name ‘communism’, ‘socialism’ or ‘global warming’, where we are all supposed to be equal, despite some being taller than others. Posted by Stern, Monday, 28 June 2010 8:16:00 AM
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Glen.. beck.
From Fox News. Nuff said, its rubbish. Posted by King Hazza, Monday, 28 June 2010 11:42:34 AM
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You're right of course, Beck + Fox = right wing political correctness.
Fox is the PC media arm of the USA far right wing. The USA far right wing branch of the God Squad LOVES Fox News. Beck of course is a total joke, only paid attention to by the radical right wingers who see left conspiracy theories in everything to the left of Attila The Hun ....... just look at the last 2 neurotic posts by poor old Boaz/polycarp/agir. These radical, far right wing USA style "Guns For God" squad members are anything "but" Christians. Their radical movement was formed in the late 1800s as a breakaway from the church in response to the church's acceptance of Charles Darwin's theory as being compatible with traditional beliefs........ the movement has since morphed into an extremely far right wing political movement with all the baggage of extreme right wing political correctness. The movement is not run by loonies; they know exactly what they're doing. However one side effect is that the movement attracts real nut cases and loonies (world wide) as a small percentage of it's membership. Extremism is a danger to decent, sane people. Boaz/polycarp/agir........ have a read of your own posts, a "proper" read. You sound like a crazy, someone willingly imprisoned by rigid ideology and political correctness. Open your mind....... extremism is not good. Posted by benq, Monday, 28 June 2010 2:46:46 PM
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Hi Benny...
You said: "Beck of course is a total joke, only paid attention to by the radical right wingers" Really ? watch what happens in America on 28/8.. I think it might prove you incorrect.. at least I hope so.. but we'll just have to see. More people watch Beck than read the Washington Post.. hmmm ok... You sprogs who simply trash Beck without actually watching one of his shows (I'm referring here to Fox News 7.00am to 8.00am, or 4.00pm to 5.00pm) seem to be prejudging the issue on the strength of a few gaudy Youtube Vids, but feel free to correct me there. BECKS STYLE. One thing I like about his method, is backup. e.g. Beck made a claim in 2006 that "Union Pensions are unsustainable" He recently played that clip again..and then.. referred viewers to this story: http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/blogs/beltway-confidential/congress-pushing-165-billion-union-pension-bailout-94828874.html Whether or not the final toll amounts to $165,000,000 is another question. According to the Democrat who delivered the "Create Jobs and Save Benefits Bill" (only a lefty could think of a name like that) will add a mere $8-10 billion to the taxpayer burden. (oh..is THAT all?) InnnnnCREDible.. Unions will spend $100 million on an election, but then grovel for an $8 to $165 billion pension bailout ? BECK states on his program "Under these Cap and Trade laws, electricity prices will SKYrocket" Then shows a clip of Obama saying "Under Cap and Trade, Electricity prices will SKYrocket" BECK outlines a network of communists who want to destroy the US capitalist system, then plays Jed Brandt saying exactly that. Yep.. Beck is definitely a loony :) "aaah fox news... that's the problem". Honestly, hate him or love him (only 2 possible emotions) reserve opinion until you a) Watch the show b) Verify or negate the facts. (do your own research) Posted by ALGOREisRICH, Monday, 28 June 2010 7:21:19 PM
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But back to "Macarthyism"..and Joe's rehabilitiation ala Beck.
I sense there will be a huge purge of communists from the American political scene in the not too distant future. I don't know what form that will take.. but considering Obama is doing the ONE and ONLY thing he can do to hold power after his disastrous run thus far.. i.e. reach out to the illegal immigrants and try to convert 13,000,000 illegals into instant DEMOCRAT VOTERS by giving an amnesty....well.... With that kind of voting clout, any white non latino in the USA can kiss freedom and political voice goodbye forever. (remember "Aztlan" people ?) Given that kind of outrageous and obscene abuse of political power.. one would not be surprised if there was a rather strong and possibly violent reaction...of the JFK, RFK kind. Let's hope such vile unconscionable provocation is never perpetrated by Obama on the American people. Posted by ALGOREisRICH, Monday, 28 June 2010 7:30:22 PM
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SOG :) I respect your posts a lot. I'm wondering how you determine Beck is a 'Charlatan'...On what grounds please?
You need more that an hour on youtube.. you really need to see a full program over a week. Cheers. Posted by ALGOREisRICH, Monday, 28 June 2010 7:33:34 PM
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Dear AGIR,
You said; “CSTEEL.. the 'lie' of Beck was his mildly dramatic over characterization of Barbara Walters... was it not” No it was not. He lied outright. You then said; “So, essentially.. he portrayed the facts at issue correctly but was a bit over the top in his portrayal of Walters.” No he did not portray the facts of the case correctly at all. He lied through his teeth and was caught out. The two ladies did not reserve the seats as claimed by Beck. They did not come over to him as he claimed but rather he went to them as he admitted later. When asked directly why he lied about it he said “I don’t know”. When Woopie called him a “"Lying Sack Of Dog Mess" he did not argue. You asked; “And this means ?” It means he is a liar, which I’m completely okay with since I see him as a showman, an entertainer, a professional offering us a hyped characterisation of a conservative commentator. Perhaps he does believe in a superficial way some of what he is spouting but he believes far more in the ratings he is securing for FOX and that is fine too because that is what he is getting paid for. What I am more concerned about is the fact that you were able to watch the youtube link I supplied and not see that Glen Beck was caught telling a bald faced lie which he didn’t even attempt to deny. That is a scary ability to see things in just the light you want them to be. I would like you to take a little more care of yourself because if you continue to view the world in this fashion then you run a very real risk of being led by those with agendas that are not healthy to either yourself nor the rest of us. We all need to know when we are being told things that are patently untrue and to be able to identify charlatans. Posted by csteele, Tuesday, 29 June 2010 1:55:34 PM
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You're right.... Beck is just a "performer". Just like some well known corrupt tele-evangelists. And because the members of the American religious far right wing movement are so suggestible and gullible Beck has an eager, ready made audience. An audience that can't think for itself (just look at Boaz/polycarp/agir .... he's part of that audience). They believe **ONLY** what they want to believe. Truth and fact, unless it conforms to their "already held" beliefs, are things that don't interest them.
Posted by benq, Tuesday, 29 June 2010 3:50:39 PM
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CSTEEL...
//You asked; “And this means ?” It means he is a liar// Actually.. have you ever lied? have you ever portrayed things in such a way as to help your case a teensy weensy bit ? ever.. ever ? I think what happened there is that in exactly the same way you are going after Becks jugular right now.. those Women..particularly Woopy, were more concerned about some minor details than bigger issues. You seem to not realize. Beck actually went on their program.. he cast himself before a couple of swans and a couple of swine... if he was conscious of having erred so grievously as you suggest.. do you really think he would have gone on the show ? ? ? He certainly seems to have mischaracterized some parts of that story,.. that does NOT make him a 'liar'...it makes him a man.. a mortal.. one who erred on a particular occasion.. on national TV.... I guess you don't see his show in full.. or regularly ? You should.. because you would see a different side of the man than that which you are trying to smear now. Do you know what "Founders fridays" are ? Do you know any of the things he has shown about race relations over the early period of the USA? have you seen the level of documentation they present ? Somehow I doubt it. But most of all..have you watched and then CHECKED for yourself whether they got it right or not ? I somehow doubt that too. I showed you an example.. you didn't even refer to it.. you jusssst wanted to throw mud.. (from under the slimy stone where you live ? :) Don't worry.. the whole of leftoid america is trying the same thing.. (happily assisted by donantions from George Soros and a few others) It doesn't work... it is doomed to failure... just like the leftist Air America did. http://www.thenewamerican.com/index.php/usnews/politics/2812-the-demise-of-air-america Posted by ALGOREisRICH, Tuesday, 29 June 2010 5:56:42 PM
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a bit more....
I LOVED this bit of yours CSTEEL... "We all need to know when we are being told things that are patently untrue and to be able to identify charlatans." Ooooooh how TRUE that is! Let's take a recent and very important example. SotoMayo.. while under scrutiny for the supreme court responded to the question: "Do you agree that the 2nd ammendment permits Americans to bear arms, as it clearly states" ? "YES" she said..... BUT They just had a case on that very issue come before the court...and guess what ? The literal meaning of the constitution 2nd ammendment was upheld.. by 5 for.. 4 against...GUESS WHO VOTED AGAINST ? ? ? yes..IT WAS Sotomayo... she LIED.. she is a LIAR... she is a scumbag of the most horrific proportions..as she is now on the supreme court..for life! If beck is a bit colorful it doesn't really matter.. we can take him or leave him..but SOTOMAYO ? nope...she is just under GOD in things USA. Her word...when supported by other scurrilous progressive Judges.. can mean life or death to people. BENQ.. "Beck is just a showman" ? No..Beck IS definitely a showman and a good one at that..but "just" ? nope.. sorry to dissappoint you. Like I said to CSTEEL.. please..watch his whole show for a week, then form an opinion. Posted by ALGOREisRICH, Tuesday, 29 June 2010 6:02:22 PM
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Boazy's hilarious when he's full swing, isn't he?
<< Actually.. have you ever lied? have you ever portrayed things in such a way as to help your case a teensy weensy bit ? ever.. ever ? >> Boazy, just because you and Glenn Beck habitually tell porkies doesn't mean the rest of us do. << I sense there will be a huge purge of communists from the American political scene in the not too distant future. >> While I have no doubt you'd like to see a good witch hunt, there's about as many communists as witches in "the American political scene" these days. Have you ever read or seen 'The Crucible' ? << Given that kind of outrageous and obscene abuse of political power.. one would not be surprised if there was a rather strong and possibly violent reaction...of the JFK, RFK kind. Let's hope such vile unconscionable provocation is never perpetrated by Obama on the American people. >> What's "outrageous and obscene" is the execrable drivel that you've posted here. Fortunately, it's so far over the top that it's funny, as outrageous and obscene humour can be :D Posted by CJ Morgan, Tuesday, 29 June 2010 7:11:01 PM
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Found on the web:
Beck went to Fox News - more money and lower journalistic expectations - making it a win-win for Beck but a lose-lose for people who like information. In his 2007 Washington Post profile of Beck, David Segal wrote: "Listen to a few of Beck's shows and what strikes you most is the enormous ratio of words to substance..." It seems Beck can talk up a storm - but leaves nothing behind except very strong blabber. Here's a few Beck quotes: 1) "I'm thinking of killing Michael Moore, and I'm wondering if I could kill him myself, or if I would need to hire somebody to do it." (2005). 2) "When I see a 9/11 victim family on television, or whatever, I'm just like, "Oh shut up" I'm so sick of them because they're always complaining." (2005). 3) "Let me tell you something the only (Katrina victims) we're seeing on TV are the scumbags." (2005). 4) "Let me tell you something; there ain't (nothing) better than looking at a hot, naked chick!" (2006). Beck's fans often refer themselves as, "sick twisted freaks," thereby embracing an irony that is non-existant. Posted by Foxy, Tuesday, 29 June 2010 7:54:12 PM
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Dear AGIR,
You may consider truth to be a 'minor detail', I do not. Don't think I'm going after Beck because I'm not, he is what he is and as I said earlier I did feel a little sorry for him on the View because they were judging him on the standard of an investigative reporter but he was quick to concede he was instead a commentator. He is a consummate entertainer with timing that a comedian would kill for. He can hit the right note and put the right tremor in his voice, the kind one would hear in some of the oldstyle with Baptist preachers. The 9.12 project show was Beck at his best. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-60QOF62GVw View from the 6 minute mark if you are in a hurry. Wow. You just have to shake your head in admiration. Pushed every button he could that would play to middle America. I would put him on a par with Sacha Baron Cohen, one very talented guy. But AGIR I am a little lost as to why you seem so enamoured with Beck when you are I presume and Aussie. In the above clip he berates himself for acting like a 'Friggin' tele-evangelist' and perhaps this answers why. Perhaps you could explain the attraction. Now just in case you need reminding about Beck's 9.12 project there are 9 principles of which the third one, after 'America Is Good.' and 'I believe in God and He is the Center of my Life.', was 'I must always try to be a more honest person than I was yesterday.' And on top of the list of his 12 values is 'Honesty'. http://www.the912project.com/the-912-2/ I'm not directing this at Beck because he couldn't do his job if he was that bothered with honesty but rather I'm aiming it at you. Did Glenn Beck just 'mischaracterize' about what occurred on that train or did he lie ? Remember what Glenn has told you about honesty. Dear Foxy, My favourite is “Remember, beneath every cynic there lies a romantic, and probably an injured one.” OMG Posted by csteele, Wednesday, 30 June 2010 1:39:02 AM
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Dear CSteele,
Thanks for that - I loved it! I've got some favourite quotes as well, the one that might be appropriate here is: "Emotional baggage must fit in overhead compartment!" :-) Posted by Foxy, Wednesday, 30 June 2010 10:17:31 AM
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csteele... fair question "Why am I enamoured with him" :)
Never mistake enthusiastic support for some kind of "OH I've suddenly found the truth" religious devotion. Beck, as you admit is very entertaining, but you seem to have missed a bit here.. while he has made some rather extravagant claims and muffed it a few times.. I would not expect more of anyone.. even CJ who seems to think he is aloof from error :) errr what was it that Pharisee said? "OH..Lord...I THANK you that I (CJ) am not like that dirty tax collector over therreeeeeeee" we all know how Jesus evaluated that self righteous dweeb don't we :) Let me come back to 'substance'.... I did offer you some information provided initially by Beck.. (Gore/Gen Investments) but I found out his shareholding in Climate Exchange myself if not mistaken. The network he exposed between Strong..Gore...Zoy...Sandor...Apollo Alliance...Centre for American Progress...Soros...Media Matters...Brecht Forum...Obama.. Joyce foundation, Green Jobs...and too many more to include here.. has all been proven beyond the slightest doubt. For example. He tends to let 'them' do the talking IFFF...you watched the show enough to actually see it. Have you ? He is now on about Black Hero's...and how they have been expunged from American history by the socialist academics because they didn't fit the 'Black victimhood' narrative they Socialists need to advance their socialist agenda. Foxy... if you have FOXTEL... you might use it to actually VIEW a Beck show in full.. ur in Melbourne so it would be 7.00am-8.00am and 4.00pm to 5.00 pm (repeat) Foxy..you did not mention ONE single claim of Beck and then try to criticize it.. you only played the man. bad foxy..bad bad foxy :) Watching Beck is like catching up on 10 yrs of history study in 1 hour :) No..he isn't the 2nd coming .. but close to it haha. Personally..I verify or negate what he says. "You can too" Posted by ALGOREisRICH, Wednesday, 30 June 2010 11:22:02 AM
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Dear AGIR,
Please prove to me you know what a lie is by answering the question; "Did Glenn Beck just 'mischaracterize' about what occurred on that train or did he lie?" If it is beyond you then please don't expect others to be able to take your opinion about the truth of otherwise of what other people might have said or done. From the mouth of Glenn Beck himself; I say on the air all time, "if you take what I say as gospel, you’re an idiot." New York Times, March 29, 2009 Are you an idiot AGIR? Here is Glenn Beck telling the truth; I could give a flying crap about the political process.... We're an entertainment company. Forbes interview; April 26, 2010 Dear Foxy, Very good. Here is a ripper, Try saying it out loud, just rolls off the tongue; "You self-centered self-righteous socialist out of control dangerous man-hating bitch. Shut your mouth. We might have bought into this crap in the 1960s because too many people were doing LSD. We're not on LSD anymore — we need to start making sense. " And this; "The most used phrase in my administration if I were to be President would be "What the hell you mean we're out of missiles?" Beautiful! Very Dr Strangelove. And this one always gets me for the amount of gumpton involved. "I beg you, look for the words 'social justice' or 'economic justice' on your church Web site. If you find it, run as fast as you can. Social justice and economic justice, they are code words." I'm not sure what Jesus would have thought but it got a hearty laugh from me. Posted by csteele, Wednesday, 30 June 2010 2:16:23 PM
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Boaz: << "OH..Lord...I THANK you that I (CJ) am not like that dirty tax collector over therreeeeeeee" >>
I think I'm going to puke. Fortunately, I have in place a reciprocal arrangement with my partner that whoever loses their marbles first has to assist the other in putting them out of their misery. If I said anything like the above I'm sure I'd have a happy OD. csteele - I've come to the conclusion that Boazy doesn't actually know what truth is. He has his own fundy version of it, which is incredibly elastic. I've pointed to his mendacity numerous times at OLO, and all he does is abandon the thread and post the same lies elsewhere. However, it's always entertaining watching him wriggle. A bit like catching a flathead, now that I think of it while I'm on holidays :) Posted by CJ Morgan, Wednesday, 30 June 2010 4:41:01 PM
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Dear csteele,
My two favourite quotes: "Jesus loves you. Everyone else thinks you're an asshole!" And "You're the reason God invented the middle finger!" Posted by Foxy, Wednesday, 30 June 2010 6:37:24 PM
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I thought women were the reason God invented the middle finger.
Posted by Proxy, Wednesday, 30 June 2010 7:49:49 PM
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PROXYYYYYYYY..... welcome back from the sin bin :) I tot we'd lost ya.
csteele... mate.. you asked me a question and I gave you an answer. Then you proceed to hurl misleading quotes at me about Beck... Do you think I'm likely to suddenly stop following the 'Messiah' over a few slurs ? :) *grin*....thought u'd like that. I see you continue to miss a MAJOR point so I guess it's time to SHOUT it. BECK brings information, and backs it up with SOURCES... YOU and I are obliged to confirm or deny that information and the sources. I've found his presentations to be extremely reliable, sources well backed up... IF.. you can point to a particular story... from a particular show..(make it recent) and then.. offer counter argument to the point he makes... we can go further..but at the moment ur acting like a spoiled kid...seriously. CHALLENGE .. 'find a program... and an issue... then argue against the point beck makes' Forget the other rubbish. Beck...is not just about "BECK"...though it seems you would love it to be :) Foxy.. as ever.. negligent on argument.. playing fast and loose with meaningless quotes..probably with a self satisfied "I just ate tweety" grin on your dial. *frown* I think I might have to sik Proxy onto you :) GO proxy GO!...bite... attack... Posted by ALGOREisRICH, Wednesday, 30 June 2010 8:05:11 PM
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Dear Al,
It's interesting how two people can come away with such different impressions. I have watched Glenn Beck (a few times) - must admit, that I went back for another look because I thought he was a tad hysterical (in the true sense of the word). He didn't seem to me particularly bright - and although he was presenting an argument it was obviously skewed, as is his right, to fit in with the regular type of politics presented by Fox News - Fair and Balanced (ie, NOT Fair and Balanced). I mean it's not really a news station is it. News gets broadcast on Fox, but it's tucked in amongst the neo-con rhetoric, the always there commercials and irrepressible Fox News Extras. I'm having trouble trying to work out why you think this guy is so clever and knowledgeable. Posted by Poirot, Wednesday, 30 June 2010 8:20:35 PM
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Dear AGIR,
Perhaps you consider you may have answered my question with; “He certainly seems to have mischaracterized some parts of that story,.. that does NOT make him a 'liar'”. If so then there is little point in me acceding to your request that I “point to a particular story... from a particular show and then.. offer counter argument to the point he makes” since you, by your own words have shown you are incapable of being able to tell the difference between a mischaracterization and a lie. Beck can. Further when I quote Beck directly you call it misleading. Then you seem to imply that I am slurring him when I most certainly am not. All I have done is heap praise on his ability and let you know that I on occasion have felt sorry for him. I think of him as having much in common with WWF wrestlers, capable of terrific stunts and showmanship. Instead of his body he works with his mouth. Try and tell him in public that most of it is fake and the reaction is something like the slapping this reporter got (this bloke looks like Beck on steroids) but most of us know the score. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N6LXkaAb0pk Some like yourself want to believe it is real but that doesn’t make it so. The quotes I gave you from Beck shows he knows we know but carries on regardless. I’m happy to cheer with the best of them through the bout, but you appear determined to remain in the bleachers with your signed copy of a Glenn “Hulk Hogan” Beck poster clasped firmly in your hand. Smoke and mirrors, time to move on mate. Dear Foxy, Beat this. Referring to the hospitalization of Woods' mother-in-law, Beck stated: "Well, there was a woman taken to the hospital last night at O.J.'s -- I mean, I'm sorry, Tiger Woods' house. I'm not saying that it was an assault or anything else, I'm just -- you know, Tiger, it's -- we are starting to lose control here." I mean he leaves South Park for dead! Posted by csteele, Wednesday, 30 June 2010 10:39:00 PM
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Boaz: << GO proxy GO!...bite... attack... >>
Charming, but quite typical. Posted by CJ Morgan, Wednesday, 30 June 2010 11:40:46 PM
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CJ.. you get what_you_are_worthy of :)
CSTEELE.. yessssss... I knowwwww BECK is somewhat like WWF-at times.. I don't think you have been following the programs over an extended period, i.e.. the GB show in the mornings and repeated in the evenings on FOX Tv. You might be jumping on him for some of his CNN days stuff or his radio stuff..where he does get very *hysterical* at times...nooooo argument from me there. You say He is a liar.. I'll say he got mixed up and carried away..and his portrayal of the view event was incorrect in all details. Ok..let's call him " a man who lied on one occasion".. sheesh..I'm sure he has done that same thing more than once.. but not in a malicious "Now..I'm going to LIE here" way.. more likely carried away. That does not make him any more of a 'liar' (settled position) than it does YOU.. so get off that hyper pedantism or I'll give you a dose of Proxy :) WHY....would I admire and/or follow his programs? It's very simple..since I came across the incredibly incestuous socialist/communist/prograssive network which I have VERIFIED 100% it blew my mind.. Now.. just in case you didn't catch that VER----I----FIED! Do you understand now ? "That" is why I said "Pick an argument" he makes and rip it to pieces with facts.. go on. -I dare ya. Dear POIROT...yep.. most of what you said seems to fit. The 'Skewed' rather than fair and balanced ? Not sure about that. Yes it shows the socialist networks, and rails against over spending.. but I don't see how that is 'skewed'. The extras get a bit tiresome..except Courtney Friel :) ooooweee.. my she has a way of standing/sitting which wreaks of "look at meeeee".. she also has a lovely smile. I offer the same challenge I gave to CmildSteele...find a position he took on something..and rip it to pieces with ONLY facts which are verifiable. Try "CRIME INC" As to fair and balanced :) errr hmmm NBC ? Keith Olberman ? errr Media Matters (aka Soros compliant news) ? come come. Posted by ALGOREisRICH, Thursday, 1 July 2010 9:09:37 AM
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Dear csteele,
We lived and worked in the US for close to ten years. My children were born there. People like Beck are very common. For example, nearly a thousand American radio stations and over eighty television stations are devoted to religious programming, most of which promotes the fundamentalist message. Prime-time preachers have become national celebrities whose messages are heard in millions of homes. The established churches tend to look askance at these presentations, claiming they give a narrow, emotional, and superficial view of complex moral and political issues. Fund-raising appeals in the electronic church generates huge sums of money for the fundamentalist cause, sometimes through techniques that make other theologians wince. Oral Roberts, for example, once described his conversations with a 900-foot-tall Jesus - who promised that Roberts's medical center would discover the cure for cancer, provided supporters send a specific monthly contribution... In a country where this is considered normal behaviour - people like Beck (showmen) can absolutely thrive. The greater the ignorance, the greater the dogmatism, and vehemence. Posted by Foxy, Thursday, 1 July 2010 11:22:35 AM
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Dear Foxy,
“Cervantes smiled Spain's chivalry away; A single laugh demolished the right arm Of his country.” George Byron. Thank you for laughing with me. Posted by csteele, Thursday, 1 July 2010 11:56:16 AM
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Dear CmildSTEELE.... I note with interest your utter lack of ability to find an argument/assertion of Becks re say.."Crime Inc" which you can then demolish.
Obviously you don't have the material or the ticker.... so.. I win :) Foxy ? poor foxy.. good grief... even if she was staring 'a x b x c'=abc or 2+2=4 and if it was not on a "progressive"(i.e..degenerate) station she would not believe it. Foxy.. u do amaze me. why not look at 'crime inc' and see if you can pull the plug on the connections/network...? I guess you also can't do it eh? Do you disagree that the Gore, Zoy, Roy,Strong,Soros grouping plus their various foundations.. plus the various assorted communists such as Van Jones, Jed Brandt, Bill Ayers, Joel Rogers are out to change America into a Socialist state and make a truckload of money in the process ? OH.. you don't know who half of them are ? I thought as much Foxy.. not only in denial but also plain ignorant. Here's one for you.... Beck says of Rogers "He claims we could shut down every power station and take every car off the road and still not get down to 60% of CO2 Emissions"...THEN...he shows Rogers in a clip saying that very thing. Now..you can sling of from your throne of ignorance as much as you like... it will not change the reality one iota. Wheres Proxy...? Posted by ALGOREisRICH, Thursday, 1 July 2010 1:05:51 PM
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Dear Al,
We are two people with completely and fundamentally different ways of seeing the world. Our communication problem is deeply ingrained and quite frankly insoluble. You talk, but you don't communicate. You are not able to have any sort of dialogue - your voice is one of sermonising. It is rarely any sort of dialogue, you merely talk across people. You live in a dichotomous world where you consider your views as the sole repository of virtue and enlightenment, the only outcome is perpetual and escalating conflict. I used to respond to you in the past, however, I've come to realize that there's no point to it. You're not capable of shedding your prejudices. Posted by Foxy, Thursday, 1 July 2010 8:08:15 PM
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Dear AGIR
A deal is a deal so I do intend replying to you it is just I have been a little busy. It will be as soon as I can get to a computer instead of having to type this out on a phone which is a pain. Posted by csteele, Friday, 2 July 2010 12:54:48 AM
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When Boaz/polycarp/agir learns how to think for himself, instead of parroting far right wing USA religious political dogma, then maybe he'll become capable of "two way" communication. Until then, he'll just continue to talk AT people, instead of "with" people. He's currently doing the exact OPPOSITE of what Jesus Christ did.
His bitter and harsh politics and personal "attitude" bear no resemblance to the character, soul and life of Jesus Christ. But we're giving him **ATTENTION**, aren't we! Lots of it! I think that goes to the core of why he writes as he does. He clearly has a deep seated need to be **NOTICED**. Sad. Posted by benq, Friday, 2 July 2010 1:44:35 AM
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Dear well meaning but deluded Foxy :) thank you for your unkind but constructive (in your own cute way) remarks about me speaking but not communicating.
You should have noticed dear F...that my approach is at least 'trending' toward communicating rather than 'preaching' :) though I confess..I still make a few rants here and there.. In your case..the problem is compounded by your unremitting refusal to even examine material provided and then admit that it is a problem. If you followed the interaction between my horrible self and the delightful Poirot and SOG and Pelly.. you would notice that when they LOOKED at the material offered.. they actually saw....the light. That's where you differ. My guiding method dear...is primarily to offer opinions which should by all rational measure..have high credibility, as they come from sources which are from the very side I generally criticize. My focus has been "Islam" more than anything else in the past..but your optimisim over-rides your rationality there. You know the links..I don't even SAY what those links say... I've left that to others... but you refuse, it would seem, to even look. As I've said before... rejecting clear evidence to support a fixed state of mind is...*bigotry* :) but you're a nice bigot.. mostly. You won't even discuss whether something contrary to your fixed world view is admissable. Again..."bigotry" ..no other word for it dear..sorry. CSTEEEL. beauuuudiful.. that's what I enjoy. You won't find me applauding EVerything Beck trots out. I DO the research myself.. He is a 'stimulus'.... and a very entertaining one too. Let's try one :) "Beck says there is a communist plot to destroy america" Fact or fiction ? see my next post please :) (foxyyyyy.. u watchin here girl ?) Posted by ALGOREisRICH, Friday, 2 July 2010 6:36:05 AM
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http://kasamaproject.org/2010/03/04/glen-becks-column-on-jed-brandts-communism/
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) BRANDT: We have to help bring this government down, we have to help destroy this system and that requires increasing the alienation that working class and oppressed people feel. The way change is going to happen in this country is through the destruction of what we call the United States of America. (END VIDEO CLIP) but wait... don't believe that..it's 'print' :) try this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hEEtScHIC1U there he is in living color... from about 0.40 on. OOH NOOOOOOO...... Beck is right :) shock...horror. Foxy...pay attention dear :) "my" world is based on verifiable fact. Now..if you want to get realllly deep here.. and even engage in a moments serious research.. and want to understand what lies behind the Left Wing demands for every increasing social welfare.... you might jusssst be interested in.....*this*... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloward%E2%80%93Piven_strategy What that article does not tell you, and this is only 2nd hand.. is that this couple addressed a socialist forum where they claimed pretty much as outlined in this link http://www.canadaka.net/forums/us-politics-f18/the-cloward-piven-strategy-to-implement-socialist-revolution-t8516.html //The National Welfare Rights Organization (NWRO), founded by African-American militant George Alvin Wiley, put the Cloward-Piven strategy to work in the streets. Its activities led directly to the welfare crisis that bankrupted New York City in 1975./ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_New_York_City_%281946%E2%80%931977%29 see the reference to the 70s.... and what happened Amazing what we can turn up when we 'dig'...rather than deny :) Posted by ALGOREisRICH, Friday, 2 July 2010 6:51:12 AM
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Benny... "bend it like Beck" :)
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke+4&version=NIV Remember this ? Luke 4:24-30 Notice carefully a) Verse 28 (see yourself there ?) and b) Verse 30 Posted by ALGOREisRICH, Friday, 2 July 2010 6:56:44 AM
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Dear AGIR,
Your view of the world is static and simple. In short, its a view that is profoundly ignorant. Human societies are dynamic and complex. They are not vessels for a singular culture or religion; they are arenas in which myriad cultures, countercultures, orthodoxies and heresies compete perpetually for the public imagination. This is frequently invisible to those who view the world through Huntingtonian spectacles. Posted by Foxy, Friday, 2 July 2010 10:05:11 AM
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ALGOREisRICH: >> SOG I respect your posts a lot. I'm wondering how you determine Beck is a 'Charlatan'...On what grounds please?
You need more that an hour on youtube.. you really need to see a full program over a week. Cheers.<< Al, allow me to qualify my use of "charlatan" It is not the message that I refer to, but rather the delivery method and possible reasons for the style adopted. The man grew up in a Roman Catholic family of German heritage who owned a small business; his political leaning was always going to be "right". He did not take the mandatory socialist teen trip that other young thinkers did. Beck owns Mercury Radio Arts (he himself referes to it as an entertainment company) the platform from which he assaults the media. He is not just an over exuberant radio journo, his divisive and inflammatory style is couched to bring attention and capital return to Beck. I believe the sentiment and the personal importance of the opinions of OLO posters of all persuasions carry more idealistic values than does the rhetoric of Beck. He is in it for the money and the message is secondary to him. I prefer the straight unembellished style of James Corbett over Beck. They both talk sense but I can envision only one holding a Nuremberg rally. Posted by sonofgloin, Friday, 2 July 2010 11:15:36 AM
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Foxy
Well said. I truly admire the considered patience you give to someone who offers only dogma and condescension - yes, I mean you AGIR. Dunno what you have written, but in view of my respect for Foxy's consistently high standard of reasoning, it must've been typically inconsiderate of the intellect and well-being of others. Just for the record, anyone who considers Beck a man of deep thought and intellect, is probably very much like AGIR. :D Posted by Severin, Friday, 2 July 2010 12:39:03 PM
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You know.. Reds under the Beds etc.
Joseph Macarthy is being rehabilitated in the USA. Glenn Beck, news commentator on Fox news, is doing a job which ranks him as very close to the 2nd coming :) (joke) in that he is exposing the American People to true history without the left wing spin.
This includes the following
http://mediamatters.org/research/201006240076
It should be noted that the above link is from a source very critical of Beck, so, it will be couched in terminology and slant designed to harm his message. This is a good thing.. because it leaves the read to decide on a fuller level of information than they would have if they only viewed Becks original material.
So... will we see a new era of purging 'reds' in the USA ?