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Human Rights and Equal Opportunity....again.

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RACHE.. let's continue our discussion out of the playpen with Pericles.

You said:

//You're the one who seems to think something's happening for some diabolical reason and is being drawn to the BNP like disaffected Aussies were to One Nation a while ago...
So, if it's real - what's the REAL reason and who's behind it?//

The 'diabolical reason' is really very simple.

1/ Look at the level of corruption and abuse and self serving on 3 sides of UK politics. "Convervative, LibDem and Labour"...
This tells us something about the beasties running the show.

2/ Look at their ideology and action.

a) Labour depends largly on the 'migrant' vote.
b) That includes a significant number of Muslims.
c) You can see how they (Labour) have tried to "manage" information, and even terminology to suit that agenda.

In short.. it's just about power.. control..and self serving.

They way I see it at the moment is that the Labourites know where their electoral toast is buttered. Thus.. in order to retain power..they pander to that. This means that laws.. policies will all be seen as a means to that end.

OVER-RIDING IDEOLOGICAL FORCE. Yes..there is one. It seems to be this.

"Keep me and my mates filthy rich... while we all 'look'and 'sound' like battlers for the working class, the migrant and the poor."
The Goal is Global Governance... but only a type which enhances existing power and wealth. ie..it is a CAPITALIST trick :) using socialist methods/ideas to trick the weak, naive and ideologically vulnerable.

LITMUS TEST.

Why would the residents of Barking re-elect (totally against the national trend) a mega rich woman, Margaret Hodge, when she and he millions have not done squat to address the problems of the region ?
Sure..they might have opened a swimming pool here or a childcare centre there...but only within that context of 'keeping us rich & powerful'

Diluting British national identity is one of those methods.
Posted by ALGOREisRICH, Tuesday, 22 June 2010 7:07:12 AM
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If that's the case Boaz - and I do take leave to doubt it - then you are not doing a very good job of it.

>>I didn't come back to hammer away at "Islam"<<

Would you like to take another look at the very first post you made under your new Invisibility Cloak?

http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=3651#87939

The topic?

Islam.

The angle?

You warned us of the dangers of allowing Muslims to breed.

>>...it might well point to a number of scenarios such as "Muslim fertility vs non Muslim" and the eventual overtaking of the original community... The bigger concern for large numbers of "Mo" ["Mohammeds"] around is the possibility of electoral control in specific community interests<<

Face, it Boaz. You have history on this. And changing your name from leopard to fluffy kitten is not going to change your spots.

As for your "re-born as BNP cheerleader" act, you cannot divorce their nationalist rhetoric from their rampant xenophobia. Which once again places you under the "he's up to his old tricks" spotlight. Illustrated neatly by your inference from Labour strategy that...

>>Diluting British national identity is one of those methods<<

Fortunately, it is crystal clear to all - not just me - that you haven't a solitary clue about UK politics, and are instead using the blunt instrument of BNP to continue your personal vendetta against Muslims.

Incidentally, given your protestations that you "didn't come back to hammer away at 'Islam'", how do you justify this little segue?

>>a) Labour depends largly on the 'migrant' vote.
b) That includes a significant number of Muslims.<<

Why, exactly, do you consider the "significant number of Muslims" relevant?

Your little snipe at "a mega rich woman, Margaret Hodge", by the way, is just a little odd, when we have our own, home grown "first family" of mega-rich Rudds, and a recent mega-rich leader of the opposition.

I personally believe that MPs should volunteer their time in service of the Australian community, so the richer the better, in my view.

But that wasn't your point, was it?
Posted by Pericles, Tuesday, 22 June 2010 9:06:09 AM
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Pericles: << Fortunately, it is crystal clear to all - not just me - that you haven't a solitary clue about UK politics, and are instead using the blunt instrument of BNP to continue your personal vendetta against Muslims. >>

Absolutely, and he's being as dishonest as ever in the way he goes about it. Hilarious though how he projects his own "manic hysteria" and "rationality-challenged" worldview on to those of us who call him on his ignorance and hatred.
Posted by CJ Morgan, Tuesday, 22 June 2010 9:27:13 AM
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Interesting theory Al, except that Labour lost very badly in the recent election and for many reasons.

Why further deliberately antagonise an already angry electorate?

I agree that all sides are potentially corrupt but the notion of carrying out a secret social engineering plot in order to get a job ruling the world one day is a bit beyond the limits of reason.

Most political corruption is on a personal level and is for quick cash, a cushy future job and/or paying back favours.

These people are ex-Shop Stewards, Ambulance Chasers, failed suburban barristers or ex-Party apparatchicks and I really don't believe they are capable of thinking that far ahead.
Posted by rache, Tuesday, 22 June 2010 4:18:20 PM
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Diluting British National Identity?? Wow!!
Now which particular identity would that be?

That one from 10, 20 or 30 years ago?
How about the one from the Enoch Powell White Power days of the 60's when the Pakistanis were number one on the immigrant hate parade?
Not because of their religion but because of them taking all the lower paid jobs.

As the Beatles sang (tongue-in-cheek) during their unreleased Let it Be Sessions,

"Don't want no Pakistanis
Coming over here
And taking all the peoples jobs.
Get Back
Get Back
Get Back to where you once belonged."

Most reactionary conservatives long to go back to the time of white picket fences.

You know - when men were men, and women and blacks knew their place.

Unfortunately, when Ritchie and the Fonz were living the American Dream, a couple of States away negros were actually being lynched. I bet they don't miss the good old days.

The truth is, you can't go back because everything changes. The world will be as different tomorrow from today as it was yesterday.

Maybe you think Apartheid is something worth revisiting?

There's always somebody to hate, blame or fear. It automatically makes some people feel like a better person by default and there are always people out there willing to capitalise on that sentiment.
Posted by wobbles, Tuesday, 22 June 2010 10:20:43 PM
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Dear Rache.... this is turning into a reasonable discussion.

You said:

//I agree that all sides are potentially corrupt but the notion of carrying out a secret social engineering plot in order to get a job ruling the world one day is a bit beyond the limits of reason.//

At least we agree on the first part.. "all sides" but potentially? hmm I'd go a bit further than that.. I'd say "The evidence in clear" that those for whom it was also 'beyond reasonable doubt' have resigned in disgrace or been simply shamed into retreat by overwhelming and believable events.

It's rife among Tories, Labour and LibDems.
The BNP has their own colorful goings on..like their Web site designer allegdedly threatening to kill Griffo.

We cannot escape the human condition I'm afraid.

My approach is really pretty simple. SWOT

Strengths
Weaknesses
Opportunities
Threats.

The last part of my quote from your post....

"secret social engineering plot in order to get a job ruling the world one day is a bit beyond the limits of reason."

Actually.. the article showed it was not a secret any more. They planned the dilution.. "Forced Multiculturalism"... from a Labour insider.

We should be asking "Why?". Well.. I believe it has one simple answer "Power" or.. the means to it.

Why? because a particular group has one or more of the following motivations:

-Keep power/gain more ...because it feels nice to be on top.
-Protect and further financial interests connected to the holding of power.
-Ideological... a world view which believes the world should be run a certain way (in the case of Labour.. we might guess that's 'Socialist')

But I believe there is more too it. *This* is where I get a bit speculative about 'conspiracies' :) As to whether people get together and actually plan this ? I dunno.. the usual suspects are -Bilderburgers
-Rothschilds
-Illuminati
-Council on Foreign Relations.
-Fabian socialists
-Freemasons.
-Jooooos.

Me?..I just look at what's happening and say to myself "Hey..this effects ME and mine... let's DO something about it!"
Posted by ALGOREisRICH, Wednesday, 23 June 2010 6:18:06 AM
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