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Barack Obama 42% ,Ron Paul 41%. Rassmussan Poll

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This result is totally amazing.see http://www.ronpaul.com/ Rassmussen polls are considered to be very reliable and yet we have a republican of high integrity beating the imagery/power of the Murdoch Press and Hollywood,who want war at the behest of corporate greed.Ron Paul is approaching 80 and I thought that the Hollywood superficiality would bar him from any consideration of being a leader.

Ron Paul has been a humble man of unbending intent.He wants to rid the US people of a parasitic pariah called the US Federal Reserve, a private group of 12 banks that finanance and own the US currency.He wants to end the wars and bring our troops home.One of the reasons for our resilience against the GFC is that we the people of Australia still own our currency.

I don't agree with all of Ron Paul's economic free market ideals,but he has the basics right of small Govt,individual reponsibilty and truly free markets,without the dominance of global cartels.
Posted by Arjay, Thursday, 15 April 2010 9:41:52 PM
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I found this interesting too, Arjay. Although possibly for very different reasons, since as you know, I'm not a paid-up member of the Ron Paul butt-kissing team.

I did notice that a straw poll at the Conservative Political Action Conference on February 20th made Paul a clear favourite over Mitt Romney, with nearly 50% more votes.

However, it is highly unlikely that Paul, who will be 75 on August 20th this year (is that "nearly 80" Arjay?) will run against Obama in 2012. From a "party machine" viewpoint, Romney is the money candidate.

So it is what is behind the numbers that is important to come to grips with. The conservatives in the populace have clearly hardened their views against Obama over the months. Unsurprisingly, given the tortoise-slow pace with which Obama's "change" is taking place, and the backdrop of a country that has been fiscally gutted by the massive bloat in debt - largely cheered on, one needs to remind oneself - by the previous government.

Of course, faced with the direct choice, the result could simply reflect party lines. But also to come out of the poll were the following gems:

"Obama earns 79% support from Democrats, but Paul gets just 66% of GOP votes. Voters not affiliated with either major party give Paul a 47% to 28% edge over the president."

This would further support the theory that Paul would eventually be edged out of the race - you couldn't put up a candidate that is on the nose with a third of your own party.

And this one is the wild card.

"Twenty-four percent (24%) of voters now consider themselves a part of the Tea Party movement, an eight-point increase from a month ago. Another 10% say they are not a part of the movement but have close friends or family members who are."

The Tea Party. Has anyone been following Doonesbury recently?

http://images.ucomics.com/comics/db/2010/db100401.gif

So thanks for the thread Arjay. But don't get your hopes up for a President Paul any time soon.

Or later, for that matter.
Posted by Pericles, Friday, 16 April 2010 3:16:09 PM
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Pericles,
The majority of Americans have "hardened their views against Obama over the months" not because of "the tortoise-slow pace with which Obama's "change" is taking place" as you claim, but because of the overwhelmingly radical nature of the change.
Obama lied to attain power, aided and abetted by the media.
The people are realising the true nature of the changes he is attempting to promulgate and they don't like it.
And who can blame them?
No reasonable person wants to see their country destroyed by a radical who doesn't share their values.
Posted by Proxy, Friday, 16 April 2010 3:49:28 PM
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*Unsurprisingly, given the tortoise-slow pace with which Obama's "change" is taking place*

I'd have to disagree on that one Pericles. I'm a fairly regular
Bloomberg viewer and they keep people pretty well up to date
politically, including live Congressional inquiries, presidential
speeches etc.

Obama is an incredibly active president, with a shedule like
few before him. But he also has a task like few before him.
Getting Congress to do anything, is a bit like herding cats!

But that is only part of the story. Rather then shoot from
the hip, claiming to know it all, he regularly calls together
America's leaders in all sorts of fields, so that they can
all have an input into future changes. Fudanmental changes.

When it comes to financial regulation etc, there is a huge
amount of debate going on and that takes some time.
Rather do it properly and introduce legislation that has
been thought through, then rush through something that simply
won't work.

But as we saw with the healthcare debate, there is a limit.
Rather then being constructive, if people like the republicans
and lobbyists, switch to pure obstruction as they did, then
he'll soon change tack and get things moving.

He's not bad either, when he does, for he's the first bloke
to achieve anything on healthcare, for about the last 50 years.

Stay tuned for the rest, he still has nearly 3 years to go.
Posted by Yabby, Friday, 16 April 2010 9:44:13 PM
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Yabby,
"if people like the republicans
and lobbyists, switch to pure obstruction as they did"
The Senate had an effective Democrat supermajority until Massachusetts fell to the GOP in January this year. They still have 57% plus Lieberman and Sanders, who caucus with the Democrats.
The congress has a Democrat majority.
It's not Republican obstructionism.
Obama has alienated many of his own Democrats with his radicalism.
That's why many of them vote against his agenda.
As for lobbyists, I didn't realise that they had a vote.
Posted by Proxy, Friday, 16 April 2010 10:55:44 PM
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Pericles,my hopes are not high.If Ron Paul looks like being President they may try to assassinate him.Obama has out lived his usefulness and his narcissism may well be his demise.

Most of the corrupted Republicans dislike Ron Paul much like the corrupted Democrats.The monetarist system of diluting people's wealth via fractional reserve scams must come to an end.The FED is continuing to create fiat counterfeit money to prop up the Wall St bubble.

Ron Paul believes in absolute free markets ,but free trade is not fair trade.There should be tarrifs on sweatshop labour to make the cartels pay fairer wages.

Good news. We hear than jobs growth is happening in the USA.An analysis will show that the jobs are in Govt agencies like Homeland Security to supress the American people rather than private enterprise productivity.Remember guns and butter? The production of guns benefits a few,but in the long term it is destructive for all.A true indication of growth will be in manufacturing not just public sector expansion.

I thought Ron Paul was 78.75 makes him more electable.He wants to return to the US constitution and give individuals back their rights and freedom.Obama and Bush have tried to destroy it.Obama is a narcissist and toady boy to the corporate elites who want to invade Iran for it's oil.Presently the US has delivered almost 400 bunker busting bombs to Diego Garcia which are probably intended for Iran.Israel has been pushing for the invasion of Iran under the ruse of it getting a single nuke.Here is the hypocracy. It was revealed that the USA was funding a Russian group of scientists helping Iran develop it's nuclear technology.Israel has 200 nukes and the means to deliver them.Why does Iran get all the attention?

At least the US people are beginning to show awareness untainted by the lies/omissions of the Corporate media.This is our only hope of stopping the next world war.The scene is set with all the ingredients and more,that started past wars.They want their filthy wars because the truth will destroy their power base.
Posted by Arjay, Saturday, 17 April 2010 9:35:37 AM
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