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A brave new world

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I feel sorry for Malcolm Turnbull.
All he tried to do was direct the liberal party into a more modern tone of political thought, however the party now wants to adhere to the time honoured conservative rules and ways that mean the party still will promote a policy of old protectionist policy’s that isolate Australia from the rest of the world in terms of corporate interest, over the people, into our society that sustains an ignorance of human rights and social justice that is outdated and obsolete.
The problem is that certain members of the Australian liberal party do not believe in Global warming because it will contradict their corporate interests.
What is our alternative?
A do nothing Labor government that is in-experienced to manage an economy and a multicultural society.
The same government that allows a policy that would provide an excuse for the Australian corporate world to raise the prices for products and services they provide to us, the Australian people.
Which of course will be the ‘’real payers of any high tax or higher prices’’.
Posted by oscar the grouch, Saturday, 5 December 2009 7:54:04 PM
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Grouchy, er ….Oscar, welcome to OLO.

Yes. I do sort of … vaguely… feel sorry for Malcolm Turnbull.

He did end up being a man of principle, and he only got tipped at the post by a single vote. So, yes the poor bugger deserves a bit of sympathy. Not much mind you, just a weeny bit!!

You wrote:

“The problem is that certain members of the Australian liberal party do not believe in Global warming because it will contradict their corporate interests.”

Yes!! This is their great problem – the continued worship of business as usual, which is based on continuous-expansion-with-no-end-in-sight profligate fossil-fuel-based economics.

You know, some people have accused Turnbull of being more akin to Labor than Liberal. But it is the crazy dinosaur continuous-growth record-high-immigration-supporting antisustainability Minchinites in the Liberal party who are actually a lot closer to Labor than Turnbull!

Oh well, maybe Malcolm will become a recycled leader, as Howard did.

I wonder how long it will be before there is a general consensus that he was a better leader than Abbott?
Posted by Ludwig, Saturday, 5 December 2009 10:52:19 PM
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It's damn hard to ascertain the genuine policy of the libs when it comes to climate change.

Allegedly, Abbott is sticking with emissions targets and believes in anthropogenic global warming. His opposition to the ETS could be well founded in terms of its effectiveness and the massive concessions being given to industry rendering it somewhat useless. If he was genuine about climate change, I'd suggest a flat out carbon tax. That would make much more sense.

Smells like bulldust to me though. He's leading a party with a fair number of climate sceptics and he's not putting anything practical on the table, except uncosted promises of alternative energy sources.

Bunkum. That sounds like the Rudd approach of having cake and eating it too, except this time, half of the party goers don't want it to be cake and a fair number of them aren't convinced the cake is real.
Posted by TurnRightThenLeft, Saturday, 5 December 2009 11:22:15 PM
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Interesting and good to see some balls. Had a little E.mail not long a go, and the word is, the 19th is not up to the task. " A little quote. " Dont have any-more babies" a direct order from evolution." Take it as you will, maybe more the merry A. You humans cant be that thick?

Maybe REM (song) holds the solution, I don't know.. it sells its self...Sham WOW!
Posted by walk with me, Sunday, 6 December 2009 12:24:33 AM
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every time/we vote...we elect..those/who will be our masters
by voting..we achieve the status..of'wards of state'...voting powers for parental control's/..over us

the vote/demonockery..is a joke...you register/apply/beg to vote..for a master..to lord it..over you..to tell..you..what do do...thats a clever scam

The Viking Experiment..by Jacek Szkudlarek..Copenhagen
http://republicbroadcasting.org/?p=5540

I happen/to be blessed..with a rare point of view..observing the Danish society...When I came here..from the communist block,..I believed..that I had found a Paradise.

This has changed...LABORATORY OF ENSLAVEMENT?

The peoples..of Scandinavia come/more or less..directly from the violent..and warlike Vikings.

I guess..it was therefore extremely/interesting..for Illuminists to see..how nations..with SUCH roots/and such..”elan vitale”..will react to..an extreme social engineering..and to enslavement.

Danes,..Swedes and Norwegians/were therefore..the first..in the queue to..The Laboratory.

Having observed..these nations daily..for the last twenty years..I have not a shred of doubt..that they have been admitted..to the Laboratory..with applause.

Denmark was as an example..transformed..DIRECTLY..from being royal property..into a socialist,..collectivist state...Never was there a spate of freedom...Not a year...Not even a day!

In all/these countries,..all included,..taxes approach 80–90%.

Vast majority..of the population..think it is entirely natural...Many are prepared to pay/even more...And from their point..of view..they get a good value..for their money:..free health care,..free university education and much,..much more.

But..at the same time,..above their heads..hovers an enormous beaurocratic juggernaut..which consumes..a major chunk of taxes.

The State..knows everything about everybody...All registers are joined..and there are no secrets..for the BIG BROTHER...None.

School children..are indoctrinated..in everything/from climate change to evolution...Prepubescent children..learn how to put condom..on one’s partner’s penis...You can go to a health consulent ..nd get an advice to try a gay partner...”Don’t be so shy..and try your anus for a change,..my boy”.

Church in Denmark..is a government/institution of course..(the Queen being its titular Head).

Virtually/all Danes are Christians..but churches are empty on Sundays...Hardly anyone attend services anymore...To believe in God..is not a good idea. ..if you are a homosexual..you can get married in a church...

Priests do not even..need to believe..in God..they’re after all..just civil servants
Posted by one under god, Sunday, 6 December 2009 7:19:54 AM
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Faith..is not considered necessary..to be a good..and conscientious civil-servant...And some priests..speak openly..(and brag in newspapers)..about their atheism...Nothing special/these days...Even kind of..politically correct.

You could ask..what is this..”Church” for?..Stupid question.

TO PAY CHURCH/TAXES..of course!..Almost all Danes..pay Church tax...Why?..In order..to get a place..at the cemetery..which would otherwise be problematic.

CARBON TAX?..YES PLEASE.

For..a Dane..therefore..to pay extra..”carbon”..tax..is no big deal,..the State's/stealing..almost everything..anyway...Two out of three/Danes..actually want carbon taxes!

Inhabitants..of this strange land,..,seem to love..their indotrinated/serfdom.

Newspapers..which are heavily/politically/correct..say year after year..that the Danes..are the happiest people on Earth...And they believe it...And..they are really happy..to be so happy...

Some people say,..and I will not/deny it,..that most..”citizens”..have probably/largely..forgotten..what real happiness is...So what?

LIBERTY?..WHAT IS….

Somehow nobody..seems to talk/about freedom and liberty...One could just as well..remove these words/from dictionaries...I am pretty sure that nobody..would have noticed...What use of liberty..when one is oh so..'happy'?

So,..you should not be/surprised..that Copenhagen..has been chosen for..the Climate Summit...People here sincerely/..believe./.in global warming..and feel..no desire to investigate..the matter for themselves.

If..the State/says it is true,..then it’s Gospel...'BIG BRODER'..would not lie to us,..would He?

There are/many strange,..often bizarre groups..and deviants...But they are not..challenging/BIG BROTHER..in any way...Some say..that BIG..is encouraging deviancy...Again,..I will not deny.

Whenever..I try to tell people/about climate hoax,..chemtrails,..FEMA camps,..toxic vaccines or 9/11 conspiracy,..they politely listen for up to two minutes..and then continue with their happy lives.

Why rock the boat?..It floats so well!

WHAT COMES AROUND….

For 1000 years..ago..the Vikings used to live off/looting expeditions all over..Europe and beyond...Today they eagerly rob each other..for the benefit of the all-powerful State..and the Illuminists.

And...everybody..is happy...by definition

This is what I call..definitive/historical justice.

I can imagine..that the Illuminists reasoned..that if they succeed in enslaving the wild Vikings,..all the other nations will follow without a problem.

P.S...Everything I have written above..has nothing to do with my neighbours and colleagues at work...Especially not with my Boss.

I like people here...They are nice,..well-educated and helpful. Really...Sometimes I think it is me..who is crazy..and I may be right...Why rock the boat?

more?
http://republicbroadcasting.org/?p=5544
http://republicbroadcasting.org/?p=5542
http://republicbroadcasting.org/?p=5493
http://republicbroadcasting.org/?p=5538
http://republicbroadcasting.org/?p=5523
http://republicbroadcasting.org/?p=5379
Posted by one under god, Sunday, 6 December 2009 7:27:18 AM
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