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Should Einstein be TIME's Man of the Second Millennium

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personally i nominate pope joan...the only/pope ever..who gave bith..while pope...many of the mary/child.. pictures are actually the pope joan...she made a whole new ritual[sitting nakid...on a bench with a hole in it...with the male appendage dangling...and tested..for attatchment..lol

now thats a pope worth knowing about..but completly written out..of his-story...even during the womans liberarchics/age..

as-for nominating the millenium person
its not a person...person means personum..[a mask]..persona have spin merchants...spinning their legend...ok i give it to alex jones...

my nomination is the sun...long may the long lived sun shine its belessings and goodness and life...in thy light
Posted by one under god, Saturday, 10 October 2009 1:21:09 PM
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OUG,

>>also from link...please note who invented what...<<
energy (Michael Faraday)
mass (Antoine-Laurent and Marie Anne Lavoisier)
light (Michael Faraday and James Clerk Maxwell)
velocity - c2 (Gottfried von Leibniz and Emilie du Châtelet)
development of E = mc2 (Albert Einstein)<<

Yes, there were a whole cast of different people that discovered the important elements that culminated in Einstein's famous E=mc2.

Faraday discovered electricity, Maxwell discovered that a current in a wire created an electromagnetic field like light, du Châtelet proved that the energy of a body was proportional to the square of its velocity and a Jewess who worked in a German university in the 1930s (can't remember her name now) discovered that, in an atom bombardment experiment, the energy released + mass of the resultant particles after a nucleus was broken up, was equal to the binding energy holding the atom together plus the mass of the constituent protons and neutrons - hence, E=mc2 as well the law of conservation of mass and energy was proved. She, BTW, had to flee Germany when Hitler rose to prominence and consequently had the credit for her discovery stolen by her supervisor.

So, when you sift through it all, the one who gets the most credit, Steven, is the biggest celebrity, not the one who works the hardest. (Sounds just like a "There was a mathematician, a scientist and an engineer ..." joke.) But then again he might just have got your gong because of his penchant for wearing mismatching socks and inspiring Bob Dylan (they look very much alike, you know).
Posted by RobP, Saturday, 10 October 2009 2:15:08 PM
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LOL RobP

The "Jewess" you are thinking of was probably Lisa Meitner. Together with Otto Hahn she discovered nuclear fission in the 1930s.

See:
http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/373527/Lise-Meitner

Mikk,

No one person invented or discovered electricity.

Alessandro Volta seems to have built the first battery around 1800 – hence volts as the measure of potential difference.

Oersted and Ampere elucidated relationship between electricity and magnetism. Ampere is the unit of current used in the SI system of units. Oersted is the unit of magnetic flux.

Biot & Savat quantified that relationship – we still use the "Biot – Savat" law they established to this day.

Georg Ohm discovered the laws that govern the conduction of electricity. The unit of electrical resistance is called the ohm.

Michael Faraday discovered magnetic induction – the basis for electricity generation. The farad, the unit of capacitance, is named in his honour. (RobP, he did not discover electricity)

In 1850 William Gladstone, then British Chancellor of the Exchequer, allegedly asked Faraday of what practical value electricity was.

'One day sir, you may tax it' was Faraday's supposed reply.

Thomas Edison set up the world's first commercial electricity generating and distribution company. His system used direct current (DC).

Westinghouse and Tesla introduced the alternating current (AC) system in use today. The advantage of the AC system is that electricity can be transmitted economically over long distances at high voltages and then "stepped down" using transformers to lower voltages that are safe for domestic use.

Tesla was a true eccentric genius. See:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikola_Tesla

The tesla, the unit of magnetic flux density in the SI system, is named in his honour.

Tesla BTW reputedly said "Never trust a Jew".
Posted by stevenlmeyer, Saturday, 10 October 2009 2:56:00 PM
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Steven,

It was Lise Meitner I was talking about. Not sure what you're laughing out loud about, but what I said about her was my recollection of a multi-part documentary re E=mc2 I saw on TV a few years ago. Anyway, if my recollection was right, the show said she was a Jewess, who was forced to flee from the university she was working at. The show also portrayed her as being the first person to prove Einstein's equation in subatomic experiments.

>>Tesla BTW reputedly said "Never trust a Jew".<<

I read a biography on Tesla and agree he was a scientific superstar. Maybe it was because he finished life penniless after festooning mankind with all sorts of great inventions, that he saw Jews the way he did. Perhaps it was a case of he worked hard and prolifically but was not rewarded, while they used political leverage to get ahead.

As you probably know, when Tesla first came to the US, he worked for Edison. They were poles apart (no pun intended) and Tesla did not like working for him. If it is said of Edison that he believed making progress was "1% inspiration and 99% perspiration" then one could probably say the exact opposite of Tesla. Tesla was aware that his way of looking at electricity was dynamic and more powerful than Edison's. For example, to get the same output from a DC system as an AC system a much heavier cable was required. My understanding is that the invention of alternating current effectively made portable motors that could be used in equipment like backhoes and on-site generators possible.

This difference in philosophy and practice was the stumbling block between them.
Posted by RobP, Saturday, 10 October 2009 3:54:36 PM
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<<The 1921 Nobel-Prize..to Albert Einstein..(awarded..1922)>>
it was for a formula..[no supprise there..[but i dare you to name the formula..[and it isnt..e=mc2]

<<Albert Einstein in 1905 drew the conclusion that light sometimes behaves as particles>>>wrongly as it turns out[light is individual particles..released by an..'event'..releasing the particles in waves

anyhow einstein/plagerised..<<..through an ingenious statistical analysis of Wien's formula..for the wave length distribution of heat radiation.

Einstein saw that his..'new idea'..would provide a natural explanation..lol..of the photoelectric effect,i.e...the emission of electrons from metal surfaces illuminated by light...The wave theory of light..was quite unable to do so.>>

Nobel Prize..to Einstein..in 1922 was based on his..'discovery'..of the law of..the photoelectric effect.



Einstein repeated the statistical calculation.with Planck's formula as the basis,..which is more..'general'..lol..than Wien's,..and drew the conclusion..that both the concept of waves..and the concept of particles>>>..both pregsisting

During a seminar/discussion..in 1909..Einstein used..this..'new calculation'..in order to..try to..convince Planck and others present..of the necessity to consider light..also..as..consisting of..a number of independent particles.

As is well known Einstein..did not get the Nobel Prize for his relativity theories..The 1911 Nobel Laureate..in Physiology or Medicine..Allvar Gullstrand..was of the opinion..that the correctness of Einstein's..special relativity theory..rested on belief.....not proven facts,>>>lol<<..and..the general relativity theory..could in his opinion..not stand a critical analysis.

Now,..does not the prize to Einstein..imply that the Academy recognised the particle nature of light?..

The Nobel Committee says that Einstein..had found that..the energy exchange..between matter and ether>>..note..no comment on the validity of aether?...lol..<<..occurs by atoms emitting...or...lol..absorbing..a quantum of energy,

As a consequence..of the new concept of light quanta..(in modern terminology..photons)..Einstein proposed the law..that an electron..emitted from a substance..by..monochromatic light..with the frequency?..has to have a maximum energy of..>>[no words omitted]<<where is the energy needed..to remove..the electron from the substance.

Robert Andrews Millikan..carried out a series of measurements..over a period of 10 years,..finally confirming the validity..of this law in 1916...did he get the prize,...no

einstein got his..for adding a '-p'..to Planck's constant....This new constant of nature..(with the dimension of energy..multiplied by time)..connects the quantum of energy..with the frequency of light..

through the formula E=hv...einsteins was E=hv-P...where the heck is E=mc2....that didnt earn buckiss..but see where the light/2..[and the P-/lank]..come from...lol
Posted by one under god, Sunday, 11 October 2009 9:50:57 PM
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OUG

A correction to OUG's previous post.

Robert A. Millikan won a Nobel in 1923.

See:

http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/physics/laureates/1923/millikan-bio.html

I do not think it worthwhile commenting on the rest of OUG's post
Posted by stevenlmeyer, Sunday, 11 October 2009 10:06:43 PM
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