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Prostitution, Race and Politics.

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No...this is not a 'story' nor a 'blog' by stealth.

I found this interesting article on a 'hot' topic. (the Title).
http://books.google.com.au/books?id=J8dx3ct9zBoC&pg=PA269&lpg=PA269&dq=vd+and+soldier+deaths&source=web&ots=ZdPdbJDZl9&sig=bXn4bQvXWNIzNZLC3Nt5jZrmJ3U&hl=en#PPA8,M1

This article explores the above issues, from the viewpoint of the 19th century, times of the Empire, Colonies etc.

FEMINISTS and GODBOTHERERS on the SAME PAGE?

Regarding Alchohol, the article says: "Feminists and Religious groups, ..were together against alchohol due to it being the doorway to lack of self control and the use and abuse of women" (paraphrase)

In that time, they even had "some doctors were not in favour of outlawing prostitution, but rather wished to control it" (hmm I'm sure I've heard that b4...recently)

But it also reports that this did not work, and failed.

RACE and MORALITY. (British and Australian Colonial Attitudes)

Aboriginals were considered "Dirty men, willing to sell their women for a pouch of tobacco".
"Indians as a race were indifferent to moral degradation, embracing hereditary prostitution caste's without hesitation"

Miles Ogborn said : "Prositution disordered the State and threatened the Empire"

"It was imperitive therefore that she be identified female,..equated with the less civilized and that she be subject to control" (from Ogborn)

ALCHOHOL
Only 12% of the Army were permitted to marry. This led to unfulfilled desire for sex, which led to drunkenness and association with prostitutes of low class, and VD, which reduced the army's fighting ability.
Marilyn Shepherd claimed more Soldiers died of the 'pox' than bullets, but I hardly think that was the case.

From the discussion of the arguments, it seems to me that "there is nothing new under the sun" as we hear them all today also.

My Question: Why are Feminists and Christians not on the same page today? (perhaps they are?)
Posted by BOAZ_David, Wednesday, 30 April 2008 9:20:40 AM
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David glad that you've finally found a book which fits you social values "from the viewpoint of the 19th century, times of the Empire, Colonies etc."

As for your question - some feminists are on the same page as some christains on a lot of issues. Those who think they have the right to decide for others.

Thankfully plenty of feminists and christains don't live to tell others how to live.

Feminism like christainity encompases a wide range of viewpoints and attitudes.

R0bert
Posted by R0bert, Wednesday, 30 April 2008 10:00:17 AM
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Absoutely Robert.

David, you cannot categorise groups so formally or rigidly. Doing so ignores the fact that there is a wide range participants within those groups and a wide variation in views.
Posted by pelican, Wednesday, 30 April 2008 10:35:47 AM
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R0bert,

Your statement -"Those who think they have the right to decide for others" is one of the most profound observations I have read on these pages for a long time.

Thanks!
Posted by rache, Wednesday, 30 April 2008 10:50:39 AM
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Dear David,

You may be interested in the book, "Damned Whores and God's Police,"
by Anne Summers. It deals with the Colonization of Women in Australia, and was voted one of the top ten books of the past 40 years by the Australian Sociological Association.

From memory, I think it was first published in 1975 - then had several re-prints over the years. It should be available from your local library, if you're interested.

Take Care.
Posted by Foxy, Wednesday, 30 April 2008 11:31:41 AM
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Thanx Foxy

the problem I have with Roberts muttering, and his gangs chirping approval :)
is this.

It seems that when there is an obvious detrimental movement in society, whether it be alchohol or devient sex, or sexual abuse, or drugs..
people come out of the woodwork and condemn any proposed legislative solution to such abuse. WAIT.. no, they simply propose to ALLOW it all, because.. "you can't legislate morality" ?

In spite of the rather different perspective of 'those days' the realities of the problems cannot be denied.

Pelican, you did actually offer something worthwhile.. about the diversity of opinion in 'movements'. Point taken, so.. let me re-phrase it.

"Many feminists and Christians were on the same sociological page regarding much abuse"

Is that a bit more to your liking? :)

Given that, then I feel serious and responsible feminists, will join with we Christians, (some may well BE Christians) and worktogether for solutions to many social issues plagueing us.

'Porn in service stations' would be high on my list. 'Sex shops on major roads' would be another.
Brothels in residential neighbourhoods might make the list also.

Gambling, Drunkeness, availability of booze (times when open) Sexualization of children with toys and TV shows etc.

Ooooooh yes.. plenty to think about.
Posted by BOAZ_David, Wednesday, 30 April 2008 1:25:36 PM
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