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What are People Against Live Exports about?

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People who donate their time finding alternatives to live exports do so for the sole reason of improving animal welfare.
However a lot more needs to be done.
The answer to the live exports is to sell direct to the buyers of the meat in the Middle East or other countries. AFIC have a responsibility towards the accreditation of the meat to ensure it is Halal for their customers.
Working together with RSPCA QLD and Australian Federation of Islamic Council gives any foward thinking farmers a chance to expand.

Apart from educating the general public about live animal exports it is important we also look at the opportunities for outback people to add whatever infastructure they require to become a exporter or as well as farmer.

With the help of AFIC its possible to redirect some of the animals going live and reopen a few dead horse country towns. All Governments need to get behind this. Many people think abattoir work is only manual labor. Some say that animals are dropping like flies in paddocks especially in WA.
However the real facts are animals are trucked thousands of miles from state to state to reach these ships to make up the quota.
We are blessed to have Mark Townend RSPCA CEO QLD who has met with Church leaders and others assisting in the education of Animal Welfare.
Education of the public is the number one starting point to improving Animal Welfare.

The Reach out for Christ Church who Mark met with have put their hand up to speak to their flock about live exports.

This is a good start and we thank Steve Ryder and Mark.

There are two other Churches who have made contact also wishing to get involved.
There is a need for more people willing to give up a few hours of their time to assist the Church people who have shown willingness to start including animal welfare in some of their bible classes.
Should anybody wish to help you can contact us by clicking below and scroll to the ban Live Exports icon
http://www.rspcaqld.org.au
Posted by benny_sampson, Sunday, 15 October 2006 9:33:29 AM
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What a nice little dream wenny. I watched an interview with a WA abattior the other night. The headline was abbs hate mondays. Why? Because 30 to 50 employees fail to show every monday morning.

I live in a town that has a large abattior, they have the same problem. They now employ backpackers and are trying to bring in workers from overseas. This happens all over the country. Its not pleasant work you know and not something people can be forced to do, even if it means putting food on the table. Most just cant stomach it.

So, if you and AFIC and the churches and your blessed mark build these abattiors all over the country (with funds from?) Just how are you going to staff them?
Posted by PF, Sunday, 15 October 2006 6:09:02 PM
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"However the real facts are animals are trucked thousands of miles from state to state to reach these ships to make up the quota."

Actually if you do your homework, you'll find that the animals
carted the furthest and longest, are hundreds of thousands of
sheep going from WA saleyards to ES meatworks, far further then
any sheep for the live trade.

The present situation says it all, even ES farming papers "The Land
etc" are highlighting the value of live exports right now.
Sheep slaughtered locally on this weeks market are worth 55c a kg
cwt, the same animal on a boat is worth $2.40 a kg. Farmers
are entitled to feed their families and the rest of their flocks
with the proceeds and make a living like anyone else.

Interesting story too in the Weekly Times, about a survey of public
opinion on animal welfare in Australia. The public generally do
not trust animal activist groups. People want balanced information
and animal welfare is a big concern for only a very small %.
The survey was conducted by TNS Social Research.
Posted by Yabby, Sunday, 15 October 2006 8:15:33 PM
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PF
like this
http://www.abc.net.au/rural/news/stories/s1096508.htm
AFIC are not building plants. Nor Mark. AFIC have a responsibility along with another twelve accredited halal certified authorities. Gives a opportunity to assist in educating other Muslim people. Your right regarding staffing. There are several solutions on the table. The Howard Government have made things easier regarding the unions which contributed greatly to the introduction of live exports. Yabbby suggested the farmers hold shares. As the demand for especially Halal increases world wide more eyes than ever are on Australia. Malaysia see themselves as the hub of Halal and are interested in Free Range Animals and Farms. Working through their JAKIM accreditation through to the Middle East they can take beasts in whole carcass redistribute onto Middle East and other Muslim countries. China Turkey Saudi Iraq Kuwaite Russia are some of the countries that have expressed interest in Free Range and meeting farmers at grass roots level. Russia are particularly interested in Free Range pork, brussel sprouts and roo meat. Of course the Government needs to support this. They made a few decisions years ago. Now is the time for them to do and undo a few. I understand you want to hear more about the staffing situation but I need to confirm if we can post publicly. In the mean time I will post a few wide range enquiries. Perhaps I should start a link for farmers to access free of charge overseas purchasers of meat and vegetables and interested investors in co joint Free Range Farms and abattoirs to keep it separate. That way if any farmers are interested they can access the information.
How will we fund them? A fair Question. From parties interested to have their own interests in Free Range Stock from Australia willing to put in funds for Halal Accredited Free Farms and the infastructure for necessary updates of domestic plants cojoint building up to new plants.
Many small farms will benefit. This will assist the little man not the corporate operators.
Posted by benny_sampson, Sunday, 15 October 2006 10:51:35 PM
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Umm, your funding sounds like hocus pocus to me. Firstly farmers
prefer to own their farms, where they live, not joint venture them
with anyone from overseas, who might try to take advantage of them.

Lets just keep it all very simple. If you actually have people
who want to buy livestock and process them, let them go ahead and
buy them in the daily marketplace, like everyone else does.

Anyone can come to WA, invest their $ and build an export plant.
Now at the end of the day, either there are people willing to
do that, or its all dreams and claimed dreams. The old KISS
principle is still the best. Either Pale have people serious about
building plants or they don't, IMHO the old put up or shut up
principle is highly applicable in this case.
Posted by Yabby, Sunday, 15 October 2006 11:13:51 PM
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“Firstly farmers prefer to own their farms, where they live, not joint venture them
with anyone from overseas, who might try to take advantage of them”

So true yabby.

You talk about small farms? What is your idea of a small farm? How do you see them fitting into your picture?

“Some say that animals are dropping like flies in paddocks especially in WA”.

This was discussed on Landline yesterday. They were saying that the only thing saving the farmers (and the sheep dying in those paddocks) was live exports.

So, coming back to animal welfare, which is better wenny, that they die a long painful death in the paddock or endure a sea journey? Which do you think is worse? This is not a question about live exports in general, purely about what is better for animals in this situation.

Your link does nothing to explain how you would staff all these new abbs.

Russia is looking for pork?? First I’ve heard of it. What does that have to do with live exports or halal meat.
Posted by PF, Monday, 16 October 2006 6:19:16 AM
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