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Boosting education in the downturn : Comments

By Andrew Leigh, published 5/11/2009

A government that’s serious about an Education Revolution doesn’t let university places shrink in hard times.

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Yep, I 'd have to agree seano, that year was wasted.

You did a first year subject that had report component worth the entire subjects assessment? I find that highly doubtful. More likely you were failing the subject anyway and that report didn't save you.

Never mind, at least you will never go back eh?

Also, just as a bit of information, enrolment confirmation letters aren't written by Vice-Chancellors, they are sign stamped by registrars and prepared by Justover Passlevel if you're lucky. If you aren't lucky, then they were prepared by first year psych dropouts from the temp agency that thought they didn't need an education after all. There's lots of them out there, most science and arts courses lose about a third of the class in the first year.

Universities are about more than educating fresh out of high school brats that whine about HECS debts, they are research institutions that contribute to industry and society in ways that nescient opinionists like vanna couldn't even imagine.
Posted by Bugsy, Thursday, 5 November 2009 9:21:03 PM
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Yes, Bugsy. Research Methods 114 was the one unit that must been passed to enter second year BSc Psycho; that report was 60% of grade. My 20% score for the additional information aka reality (how they erronerously proved Stroop wrong) got me 12.5% of the unit, so an impossible 100% exam score would have totalled 52.5% for the unit. They weren't taking chances, were they? Imagine the number of fake theses founded on that same IT ignorant mistake and you might see what they had to lose by admitting to the false data.

More likely you're failing to comprehend the truth and so resorting to unfounded insults as you did yesterday. Truth is I was doing well with exam scores as high as 95%, but the truth couldn't save me then - they didn't want to know it. Maybe it can save me now? Try wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_8254 and it might be too hi-tech, so scroll to the very bottom of the page, it's in the section under 'Programming Considerations', just above 'See Also'.
"The slowest possible frequency, which is also the one normally used by computers running MS-DOS or compatible operating systems, is about 18.2 Hz."

This is why using a computer for time-dependant psycho experiments will return random results, such as Stroop is wrong, world is flat, because precision is false if 10ms is used for ANOVA.

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On the 2009 confirmation errors, are you suggesting that they sanction fraud by signing letters under false names on uni letterheads? Here is the letter that cost me another year's $40,000 + 50% premium. I guess I'm out-of-pocket around $120,000 now on top of the 1997 HECS debt I narrowly avoided for 2009.

http://antarctica.netau.net/ecu/fcukerry.jpg

As mentioned before, always remember the first rule of university education is that they're always right, even when they're wrong, they're still right, and don't ask questions if you want your degree!
Posted by Seano, Friday, 6 November 2009 9:32:59 AM
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Actually Bugsy, the last university course I did was through correspondence.

Not one textbook or piece of software we had to purchase came from Australia (of course), and I was also informed by other students undertaking the same course to never contact the lecturers unless absolutely necessary, because this might annoy them. So I never contacted a lecturer unless absolutely necessary, and not one other student doing the same correspondence course did so either to my knowledge.

I learnt nothing from the lectures, as I learnt everything from the textbooks.

Their course cost me considerable amounts of money to learn from a textbook, and the HECS fees went to marking my exam papers and assignments I suppose. The same course could have been done through 100’s of other universities throughout the world (with nothing special about so called Australian universities), and the same course can now be undertaken in various TAFE colledges for a fraction of the cost.

The days of universities are numbered.

One university in QLD has seen the light, and it is now intergrating with a TAFE colledge, with a new TAFE college being built on the campus with no dividing fence.

This had to be done otherwise the so called Australian university would have to close due to financial bankruptcy, as foreign student numbers have fallen so so much. Even with the TAFE college being built on the campus I foresee the university will gradually die a natural death, as few people in today’s world want to attend an elitist, socialist and feminist riddled institution that teaches minimal skills and costs a fortune to attend.

Also, if so called Australian universities are so good at research, then how come the last thing you are likely to find in a so called Australian university is a “MADE IN AUSTRALIA” sticker.

The story that so called Australian universities are good at research and development is yet another lie being told by the so called Australian universities.
Posted by vanna, Friday, 6 November 2009 2:23:28 PM
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I am one of those who's had no education & started work at 14. I've learned two trades & have been working as a mechanical plant service officer for a decade now.
I have a lot of contact with education people, health people & general public servants. I used to feel disadvantaged because of my lack of education until I realised that a great number of educated people are not actually intelligent & even less useful in society. The larger %age of my daily work's problem solving stems from designs & policies dreamed up by supposedly educated people. To cut a long story short, we have ample education but what we don't have enough of are people whose education wasn't wasted. Witnessing the at times absolutely idiotic mentality of educated people actually makes me glad I stayed academically unenlightened. There are very good scholars who are an absolute asset to the country but they're quite contend to remain the silent achievers unlike those useless academic experts who forever parade in front of the stage but have no idea what's holding up the props.
Boosting education ? no need for that just up the quality of what's already available
Posted by individual, Friday, 6 November 2009 5:54:34 PM
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Well you sure showed me Seano, it looks like Edith Cowan Uni does not have an Office of the Registrar, maybe they are so small the VC prepares all the paperwork for all the students himself. Is that a printed digital signature (ie sign-stamp – in the old days they used a rubber stamp that looked like the signature) I see at the bottom of that letter? That’s a dead giveaway that they employ office staff if it is. These aren't frauds Seano, they are prepared and sent by office zombies in the enrolments section and posted under the authority of the VC under a mail merge. Is this difficult to understand? I'd be willing to bet that big Cox never saw that letter, or ever heard or read your name before, but you can blame him personally for making mistakes on your enrolment. At least, you can in the blogosphere, anything’s possible here.

So when you asked the Research Methods course coordinator what did they tell you about why you failed the report? Did you see the marked report (you had a right to)? What did the Dean's office say to you when you showed them your outstanding examination results in all your subjects and asked them to review your case? What did the Student Union advisor tell you? There are many ways of resolving issues like that, but I find that most people will just call the administration and get Justover Passlevel (if they're lucky) and be told that they cannot help, and that will be that. They don't have the authority, nor any inclination, to do anything. It's like trying to resolve a warranty issue by calling the customer sales team's secretary.

Wow vanna, one TAFE-level postal course and you’re an expert on universities. That must have been some well-prepared course. What was it,VC101: how to become a university administrator, earn $$$ from home?

It makes me wonder why either you bothered even enrolling in the first place, especially since you’re whinging about the HECS you had to fork out, and that all that matters right?
Posted by Bugsy, Friday, 6 November 2009 8:59:31 PM
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"These aren't frauds Seano, ... Is this difficult to understand? I'd be willing to bet that big Cox never saw that letter, or ever heard or read your name before, but you can blame him personally for making mistakes on your enrolment."

So if it isn't fraud to write something under the name of another, would you prefer to call it institutionalised plagiarism, Bugsy?
I never mentioned anyone's name. You were the one who questioned it. Whoever made that mistake that cost me a full-time 4 year double degree was too scared to even put their own name to it. If it wasn't Kerry, then YOU TELL ME who stuffed up my 'formal' education in 2009?

'Did you see the marked report (you had a right to)?'

I still have it packed in my relics from days gone bye.

'What did the Dean's office say to you'
Same sort of claptrap that you're spouting, but less 'assertive', more 'authorative' excuses because we don't want to know and we're the important ones in this place so STFU and get lost Seano.

'It makes me wonder why either you bothered even enrolling in the first place, especially since you’re whinging about the HECS you had to fork out, and that all that matters right?

I'm not whinging about the HECS. I'll never make that $40,000 let alone the 50% premium, so what do I care? By the way, I was 30 in 1997 and not a frigging school-leaver. You make so many foolish assumptions that it's worth logging back in late at night just to add to the comedy that you come up with when you put your little mind to it. I don't suppose you were ever a performing arts student by any chance, were you Bugsy?
Posted by Seano, Friday, 6 November 2009 9:55:23 PM
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