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Palestine-Jordan generates gerrymander and injustice : Comments
By David Singer, published 5/8/2009Any attempt to strip a current citizen of his citizenship rights in Jordan should be universally condemned.
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I have never said Israel is entitled to the West Bank and Gaza. Israel is entitled to maintain a claim to the West Bank and Gaza under Article 6 of the Mandate for Palestine and article 80 of the United Nations Charter. What area is eventually allocated to it is a matter for negotiation.
# Keith
"The West Bank has never been Israeli nor Jordan land. It was originally part of the Ottoman Empire. After WWI it was allocated to the British Mandated, PALESTINE. (Consider the later UN created states of Jordan and Israel were also part of the Palestine). It's never been recognised by the world community as part of Israel or Jordan."
Agreed - except that Jordan and Israel were not created by the UN.
"It's [the West Bank]citizens have never been recognised by the world community as anything other than Palestinians. You are arguing that as the West Bank was won by Jordan its citizens are Jordanians. In fact it was only occupied by Jordan. It was never won from anybody."
This isn't what I am arguing. West Bank citizens were accorded Jordanian citizenship and issued with Jordanian passports. You need to distinguish between citizenship and territorial sovereignty.
"The people who lived there owned the place not the Jordanians."
Not agreed. The status of the West Bank still remains territory of the Mandate that remains unallocated between the Jews and the Arabs. It is disputed territory to which both Jews and Arabs claim sovereignty. It is "no mans land" at the present time.
"Yet you seem to be proclaiming it as Israeli because it was 'won' by Israel but you won't concede, as would be logical given your previous argument, that it's citizens would then become Israelis."
For the reasons stated above your attribution of this view to me is wrong.
"The only thing Israel is doing is occupying the place, just like the Jordanians. They didn't win ownership."
Correct. Ownership is still to be decided.
The rest of your reply is more of the same - attacking the messenger and ignoring the message