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God's place in the Dreaming : Comments

By Alistair Macrae, published 3/8/2009

The Uniting Church has embarked on a journey of truth-telling in relation to Indigenous peoples.

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"Christian mission has, with rare exceptions, tended to condemn Indigenous practice and spirituality wholesale but failed to apply a similar critique to the dominant European culture."
Er Europe before the arrival of Christian missionaries from the East was inhabited by pagans with various spiritual beliefs.Their practices and spirituality were condemned outright by the Early Church but the Church was smart enough to incororporate certain pagan customs into their liturgies. Hence Christmas celebrations, Easter eggs etc.
Posted by blairbar, Tuesday, 4 August 2009 5:44:30 AM
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There was no difference (from Aboriginal perspectives) between the agency ofn the State and that of the Church (Christian religions).
The outcomes of each were exactly the same, reserves and missions, administrative dogma and efficy / biblical scripture- worked hand in hand with each other.

I always find it amusing that some like to declare Aboriginal beliefs as primitive but then blindly celebrate the birth of an illegitimate Jewish child as well as this childs eventual barbaric crucifiction. (not to mention festishing on Santa and the Easter Bunny LOL)
Posted by Rainier, Tuesday, 4 August 2009 1:07:10 PM
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Perhaps runner might explain why the perpetrators of said crime/s are frequently practicing clergy? Then comment upon the churches refusal to allow paedophiles to be charged and judged by a jury of peers. Strikes me that society seeks to stop sexual abuse, and Christians seek to perpetrate not just the act, but the notion that they are "untouchable".

As the Hillsong pastor who faked terminal cancer to scam money from converts to the multi-beneficial rorts of religion blustered as the reason: He has a porn addiction, and said perversion is "a matter between him and god". Secular!?

An "expert" in "sexual integrity" lists all your points like child rape and murder occurring because we turned our backs on belief systems that permit killing of family, neighbours, indeed the ontological "other" to the dominant force. Scroll to "Porns Incredible Powers" to read the point by point debunking. Such fraud only arises in theocratic scams.

http://libertus.net/censor/rdocs/candle3.html

As for the lies about teen sex, please note the biblical religious experiment trialled by Bush failed most shockingly. "The silver ring thing abstinence initiative". STD's are at 70 times [seven zero] those of identical demographics in the Netherlands.

OK. So, oral, anal, group, forced sex coupled with ignorance of ones own body, intentions of other teens and no idea how to manage "sinful behaviour" in others, is a mere part of the outcome of religious practice as public health. Also, vaginal restorative cosmetic surgery specific to 'replacing' the hymen is booking more clients in said demographics than dentistry.

Also been sued by the ACLU for "promoting Christianity".

http://www.themediaproject.com/news/itn/051705_srt.htm

Such events transpired during the Bush Theocracy and destroyed lives without compunction. Refusal of funds unless one is a believer, and non secular, is runners "secularism".

http://blog.au.org/2008/10/20/unholy-inquisition-justice-department-says-faithbased-grantees-can-ignore-antibias-laws-approved-by-congress/

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/jul/20/bush-teen-pregnancy-cdc-report

http://www.uydo.org/blog/anna-karina/2009/07/another-failure-bush-era

Harm to the development of students:

http://www3.interscience.wiley.com/journal/121583979/abstract?CRETRY=1&SRETRY=0

Do they work?

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/24467/do_abstinenceonly_programs_work.html

And 'cause I'm only here to help these articles simply beg a response;

http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1G1-178428497.html

Despite the deaths, disease and ruined societies the only response is bigoted rhetoric. God as runner uses the notion, kills. Whether with guns or lies, death/disease/exploitation/ignorance are always there.

What secular equivalent exists?
Posted by Firesnake, Tuesday, 4 August 2009 1:52:33 PM
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Rainier

Agree with your post. Christianity does have a long and undistinguished history of ripping the heart and soul from other spiritual beliefs and implanting its myopic vision.

God's place in the Dreaming? That would have to be a form of heresy wouldn't it? Perhaps one could equally ponder if there's a place for the Rainbow Serpent in Genesis.

The arrogance of the Abrahamic religions is as breathtaking as it is destructive.
Posted by Fractelle, Tuesday, 4 August 2009 2:18:17 PM
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Let's be honest Bluecross, 'people' can do the wrong thing at the best of times, but when it's done under the cloak of a pseudo science covering the backdoor, this allows the intellectually halt, lame and infirm to operate with (seeming) impunity..."I was only following orders", from the from the dictator (Mao or Stalin or Hitler), it really makes no difference.

Firesnake you really know how to twist the truth. The reason many priests turned out paedophilles is obviously the employment of men with homosexual tendencies. They mainly targeted boys. Of course your own dogma won't accept this fact. I doubt however whether the number of priests is any higher than school teachers, journalist or artist. Your favourite press outlets would not allow this to be known of course.

Your hatred and rantings about Mr Bush really shows you are unable to think rationally. I will admit that your hatred is shared by many of the loonie left media who still have nothing better to do than vent their hatred toward Mr Bush and Mr Howard. With the performance of Mr Obama and Mr Rudd I would of thought you would be shamed into being quite.

The fact that a teenager wants to wear a ring to show they are not going to be immoral before marriage is an admirable thing. Would you prefer for them to tell others how many diseases they have passed on via casual sex. I am sure parents would be real proud that the kids have surpassed their own immorality.
Posted by runner, Tuesday, 4 August 2009 2:41:18 PM
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Since when did Aboriginal Australian's believe in 'God' as defined by the Uniting Church?
Posted by Laura Mathison, Tuesday, 4 August 2009 3:03:55 PM
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