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Are we safe? : Comments

By Peter Sellick, published 29/6/2009

The danger with attempting to over-manage risk is that it becomes the main game and distracts us from the life at hand.

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A useful reminder of the debilitating nature of the nanny State, Sells.

Not sure the segue into "Christianity Rools OK" came off very well, though. Not a great deal of logical linkage there, more a tacked-on afterthought. Needs some work, I suspect.

The rest of it was fine.

Is that a new photo? Cute.
Posted by Pericles, Tuesday, 30 June 2009 8:46:27 AM
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The first half of this essay was good---the second half is unmitigated drivel.

Conventional exoteric religiosity (of which Sells is a fully paid up subscriber)is only about crowd control, and nothing more

Both exoteric religion and secular scientific materialism are magic paranoid (and, altogether, anti-ecstatic) traditions, rooted in fear of the magical powers potential in every individual.

Both have, for many centuries,especially in the West, been actively instructing, or propagandistically coercing, humankind to disbelieve---or, without or apart from actual experience and the exercise of true discriminative intelligence, to dissociate from all modes of association with magical, and metaphysical, and even Spiritual, and, in general, ecstasy-producing ideas and activities.

The process of negative indoctrination to which humankind (especially in the West) has long been subjected by its sacred and secular authorities, has, actually, been a magic-paranoid political, social, economic, and cultural effort to enforce a worldly, or gross realist, or thoroughly materialist, and, altogether, anti-ecstatic, anti-magical, anti-metaphysical, and anti-Spiritual, model of human life upon all individuals and collectives.

The entire effort to idealize the gross physical individual and, on that basis, to cause universal worldliness, has required the universal suppression of the innate natural magical, metaphysical, and ultimately, Spiritual, and. altogether, ecstatic potential of the human psycho-physical body-mind---but, also, and profoundly more importantly, this entire anti-ecstatic enterprise or paradigm has deprived humankind of its necessary access to Inherently egoless Truth Itself.
Posted by Ho Hum, Tuesday, 30 June 2009 12:41:55 PM
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The fundamental human urge and need is not gross in its nature.

The fundamental human urge and need is not food, sex, power, things, or even physical survival.

The fundamental human urge and need is happiness---but not in the mere gross satisfaction-of-self sense.

The fundamental human urge and need is ECSTASY--or the free exercise of the ability to step outside, or to effectively exceed and transcend, the point-of-view bondage of egoic and, altogether, mortal phsical self-identity.

What would Happen if all of humankind were--now and forever hereafter--allowed complete, unobstructed, and Perfcet ecstatic access to Inherently egoless Truth Itself?

What would Happen if--instead of access merely to worldly, or gross realist, or scientific materialist, or exclusively exoteric, and traditionally "official", and anti-ecstatic, and anti-magical, and anti-metaphysical, and anti-Spiritual ego-"truth" and pseudo-ultimacy--all of humankind were, from now on, allowed complete and unobstructed and Perfectly ecstatic access to Inherently egoless Truth Itself?

What would Happen if--from now on--the political, social,economic, and cultural totality of humankind were allowed to establish and perpetuate itself entirely and only on the Perfectly ecstatic basis of the inherently egoless Truth That IS Reality Itself?
Posted by Ho Hum, Tuesday, 30 June 2009 12:56:14 PM
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Now let's see what happens when there is no fear of God or authority.

We murder the unborn for convenience believing we will never face judgement.
We condone sexual perversion even know it leads to disease and death.
We give excuse for criminals and ignore the victims of crime.
We allow children to spit on teachers and refuse to punish them.
We create an outward morality (often environmentalism) and inwardly are full of deceit and corruption
We promise to be faithful to our husband or wife knowing that we really mean 'for better but certainly not for worse' hence making us liars
We believe silly lies like evolution because we don't want to acknowledge to easily observable fact that we have been created.
We turn money, sports and sex into idols
We pretend to be tolerant of all religions but inwardly despise Christ because we refuse His salvation
We love our little fake world because we are stupid enough to believe we are gods as is spelled out in the lack of morals in medicine.

The fear of God is the beginning of wisdom. In fact the fear of God drives out the fear of man or anything else.

Every person has fears but most are misdirected. Any man that does not fear for his own soul is a fool. Eternal damnation is no laughing matter. Thankfully the wise will turn to the Only One who can save their soul and that one certainly isn't Al Gore or Tim Flannery. It is only a healthy fear of God that puts this life into perspective.
Posted by runner, Tuesday, 30 June 2009 1:58:14 PM
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Glorfindel,

If you are calling the Churches "A goodly apple rotten at the heart" then you may be correct.

The average blind follower won't be harshly judged by a loving God, (if one exists), but will the organisations, that have put Christian principles below their own selfishness, arrogance and greed?

I'd hate to think you were using Shakespearean quotes, to hide behind, calling me names, and so I will give you the benefit of the doubt. Do not judge others...Matthew 7 your God is watching!

If you were referring to me wouldn't that be unChristian and quite cowardly?

But it does beg the question...Why did the all knowing and all powerful God allow Satan to live, when God, (according to the Bible), clearly knew he was up to no good? JOB 1:6-7, Revelations 12:9

God has power over Satan! Isn't to state, even Satan can quote scripture, deceitful in the extreme, when you don't question what the Bible alleges what God did? Wasn't it God who smote all the firstborn of Egypt? The Bible says it was! Exodus 12:29

Now Runner...Did God allegedly drown all the people of the Earth in the great flood other than Noah and his family? Genesis 7-8

If so would there have been innocent babies, children, unborn babies in their mothers wombs etc. that also drowned?

If Moses killed everyone except the virgins (NUMBERS 31:13-19) supposedly with God's approval...Was this a bad example for Moses and God to set? Why aren't you incensed?

When God "hardenened pharoah's heart" (Exodus 7:3) and then used that hardening to kill all the innocent first born of Egypt (Exodus 12:29)...was that setting a good example?

Even Jesus, (Matthew 5:17-20)…empowers the law of Moses plus unequivocally states in verse 18…"As long as heaven and earth last, not the least point nor the smallest detail of the law will be done away with...."

Exodus 31:15…Kill...Exodus 21:17…Kill...Leviticus 20:10...Kill Deuteronomy 3:3...kill...Deuteronomy 22:20-2...Kill.

Why aren't people incensed about Bible allegations about God?

Are we safe, to trust organisations, OR the followers, who never question these atrocities?
Posted by Opinionated2, Wednesday, 1 July 2009 2:14:56 PM
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Opinionated2

You ask
.Now Runner...Did God allegedly drown all the people of the Earth in the great flood other than Noah and his family? Genesis 7-8 Yes

If so would there have been innocent babies, children, unborn babies in their mothers wombs etc. that also drowned? Yes

If Moses killed everyone except the virgins (NUMBERS 31:13-19) supposedly with God's approval...Was this a bad example for Moses and God to set? Why aren't you incensed? Because every day is proof of God's mercy to a corrupt and rotten generation. You can not be incensed by such as merciful God.

When God "hardenened pharoah's heart" (Exodus 7:3) and then used that hardening to kill all the innocent first born of Egypt (Exodus 12:29)...was that setting a good example? No but don't forget that Pharoah many times hardened his own heart just as it appears you have done.

Suddenly someone who claims moral relativism is incensed when His/Creator judges the earth as I would think He is entitled to do. The fact that you are merely the clay as opposed to the Potter shows how proud and arrogant you are. Without God you have no moral basis to even claim killing babies is wrong.

You seem to pick on what you disapprove of ignoring the rottenness of your own heart and the mercy that God has shown in sending His Son to die for your corruption. It is not a very smart move and I suspect you deliberately ignore God's love towards you.
Posted by runner, Wednesday, 1 July 2009 4:05:09 PM
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