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Are Indigenous perpetrators homogeneous? : Comments

By Stephen Hagan, published 4/6/2009

It was never a cultural trait to wilfully violate the innocence of our children or brutalise our women, and it never will be.

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And it is nothing new, especially violence against women. All the 18th and early 19th century records are filled with the most vicious violence by aboriginal men against their women and their readiness to lend them or prostitute them.
Posted by Jock Walker, Sunday, 7 June 2009 7:13:13 PM
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yes Jock Walker, genocide is a dreadful experience.
Posted by whistler, Sunday, 7 June 2009 10:53:01 PM
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Whistler,
<<Violence against women and their children was introduced into Australia by Europeans >>
<<The Common Law has always sanctioned violence against women and their children as it does in Australia today>>
<<misogynist European models of marriage>>
<<all of you appear to want young Aboriginal women to endure in their everyday lives would for men be considered prison conditions?>>
<<assimilation into the grubby, misogynist, rape-fest comprising modern Australia is not a solution.>>
You're sounding well balanced there;
like you've got a chip on each shoulder.
Posted by KMB, Monday, 8 June 2009 8:46:35 PM
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thanks KMB

two fights or reconciliation?

the first quote should refer to 'rape', thank you Dan Fitzpatrick.

'Noble Savage', earlier ... hmmmm

Lester Hiatt (1986:10)

"The disciplines imposed by Pintupi men are sustained and severe. They include tooth evulsion, nose piercing, circumcision, subincision, fire ordeals, and the removal of fingernails. Novices may be beaten for too much talking, inattention, or insolence. They may be awakened at any hour of the night and chased with bullroarers. From time to time they stand in a line with heads bowed, signifying subordination, and during ritual performances senior men shout orders and threaten them with violence."

the Pintupi live in Central Australia.
Posted by whistler, Monday, 8 June 2009 10:38:29 PM
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Are "Indigenous" perpetrators homgeneous? Certainly not. There are fantastic Aboriginal men, young and old out there in the wide brown land, and in the cities and the places in between. While I understand exactly what Stephen says about saying "no" to family and mates and wanting to make his home a safe place for his family and especially his children, not all Aboriginal folk follow the patterns of behaviour he described. I agree that domestic violence is not a cultural trait and has been used as some type of sick justification for the behaviours of the perpetrators - men and women. And I am pleased to see that Stephen refers to Sonia Smallacombe's definition of violence and that this definition includes female perpetrators. Yes, not all women are the cuddly caring earth mothers that society would like to think they are. And don't be fooled by "black sisterhood" either - the worst perpetrators of lateral violence and bullying are Aboriginal women - and the higher up the corporate or professional ladder they are the nastier they get. I hope Stephen gets around to initiating a discussion about the practice of this other type of violence soon as its practice is widespread - in fact endemic in many so-called "indigenous" work places and organisations.

I must add here for ShazBaz to note that it was Xavier Herbert and not Frank Hardy that wrote Poor Fellow My Country & Capricornia.
Posted by cici, Tuesday, 9 June 2009 6:15:42 PM
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Stephen and contributors may find the following article published in today's Australian interesting.

Violence the way of traditional life
Stephanie Jarrett | June 10, 2009

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,25611112-25192,00.html
Posted by blairbar, Wednesday, 10 June 2009 8:25:14 AM
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