The National Forum   Donate   Your Account   On Line Opinion   Forum   Blogs   Polling   About   
The Forum - On Line Opinion's article discussion area



Syndicate
RSS/XML


RSS 2.0

Main Articles General

Sign In      Register

The Forum > Article Comments > Criticising the Israeli government or anti-Semitism? > Comments

Criticising the Israeli government or anti-Semitism? : Comments

By Dave Smith, published 14/5/2009

It has become politically fashionable to equate any criticism of the government of Israel with anti-Semitism.

  1. Pages:
  2. 1
  3. 2
  4. 3
  5. 4
  6. 5
  7. 6
  8. Page 7
  9. All
Cazza,

Certainly, "I'd rather be a Palestinian living in Israel than a Jew living in any of its neighbouring countries" and if I were a Christian I'd rather live in Israel as well( the Christian population of Israel is, in fact, increasing). My comment was in reference to the claim of Israel as a the only refuge for Jews, who are supposed to be under threat everywhere. I'm not convinced that Israel is as threatened by the incompetent and backward regimes surrounding it as Israelis claim, you could hardly say the Palestinians are a threat to national survival and they're on the receiving end.
Posted by mac, Monday, 18 May 2009 4:11:39 PM
Find out more about this user Recommend this comment for deletion Return to top of page Return to Forum Main Page Copy comment URL to clipboard
Mac,

I was commenting on colonialism and imperialism as exhibited in the middle east theatre – since the thread was about the middle east.

Western colonialism & imperialism has been widely, and repeatedly, hung-drawn-and-quartered on many different fora.
And I would think that there are very few people, anywhere–east or west, who are unaware of its ‘crimes” – but, I suspect, there are many who would be unaware of the full extent of Arab & Turkish imperialism / colonialism. Which may be why characters like Ahmadinejad can masquerade as a crusaders for justice ---and appear so credible, to some .

There is a popular , if naïve , proposition that imperialism started with the forays of Western powers
&, that imperialism, slavery and racism are endemic to the Western rule .
A second, related, proposition is that all current woes in the middle east emanate from such Western interference .
And a third related (utopian) proposition, that goes , the redrawing of borders , and , the removal of current administrations would be a solution.

None of the above sync with reality :
1) The afflictions of the ME didn’t start with Western interference ( Western interference is not causing the Yemenis or Egyptians to reproduce at a rate that exceeds their capacity to adequately cater for, Western inference didn’t produce the Shia Sunni divide) , &
2) Any number of coups & revolutions over the years have done little to elevate any of the countries involved. What progress there has been has come from economic growth & slow top down reforms.

Blaming Western imperialism & Zionism is more often than not, a smoke screen for other native flaws.

And as heretical as it will seem to some , I see more hope in the reforms being edgily implemented by the Saudi & other ruling classes (grains of wheat in a lot of chaff!).Some of the upper classes are a lot more liberal & realistic than their many “progressive” critics would allow.And some of the reforms’ mooted, when implemented, may initiate wide ranging, if slow, societal change.

Cheers!
Posted by Horus, Monday, 18 May 2009 9:33:57 PM
Find out more about this user Recommend this comment for deletion Return to top of page Return to Forum Main Page Copy comment URL to clipboard
Horus,

you might be interested in this link-

http://www.newstatesman.com/middle-east/2009/05/saudi-arabia-essay-house

very few grains of wheat!
Posted by mac, Tuesday, 19 May 2009 8:57:22 AM
Find out more about this user Recommend this comment for deletion Return to top of page Return to Forum Main Page Copy comment URL to clipboard
is truth criticising israel govt able to be spoken?
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1242212438933&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull

IAF holds drill simulating all-out war during the exercise,the scenario included war against Hamas in the South and war against both Hizbullah and Syria in the North...

..saber-rattling..the fallout from these drills in Damascus and Beirut-are completely counterproductive..to any kind of concrete movements toward peace in the region...But with Netanyahu at the helm in Israel,it was precisely what what should have been expected.

Why are US sending BILLIONS to Israel while states go broke?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XyiAcC8OL98&feature=PlayList&p=2F1F5D2D31301BC8&index=0

the new government..
http://desertpeace.wordpress.com/2009/05/22/a-misbegotten-government/

to meet the requirements of israelie status quo...It will be utterly unable,..even if willing,to advance Palestinian national interests because it has no sovereignty of its own..and can hardly do anything worthwhile without Israeli approval.

http://www.counterpunch.org/carmichael05302006.html
Zionist collaborators would commit America to an endless cycle of war and terror,repression and suicide bombings ad nauseum and ad infinitum all predicated on Islamophobia.

http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/09/obama%e2%80%99s-zionist-wannabe-veep/
Obama’s Zionist Wannabe Veep
by Robert Weitzel 9/02/2008

http://www.rense.com/general74/isis.htm
Pelosi-Another Israel First Zionist Gatekeeper?
By Amiram Barkat Haaretz.com 11-11-6

http://www.realjewnews.com/?p=318
These men claim they were given a choice of working for the Security Service or face detention and harassment in the UK and overseas.
http://www.arabnews.com/?page=4&section=0&article=122776&d=22&m=5&y=2009&pix=world.jpg&category=World
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/22/nyregion/22plot.html?_r=3&hp

Netanyahu:Jerusalem holy sites will remain Israeli forever
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1087232.html

Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu vowed Thursday that all of Jerusalem would always remain under Israeli sovereignty,in comments likely to spark consternation among Palestinians who hope to make the city the capital of a future state..Hitler predicted that his Reich would last a thousand years,too...It was gone after only 12.

Meanwhile

UN/Resolution 127:'recommends'..Israel suspends it's..'no-man's zone'..in Jerusalem"

UN/Resolution 252:'declares invalid'..Israel's acts to unify Jerusalem as Jewish capital".

UN/Resolution 267:'censures'..Israel for administrative acts to change the status of Jerusalem".

UN/Resolution 271:'condemns'..Israel's failure to obey UN resolutions on Jerusalem".

UN/Resolution 298:'deplores'..Israel's changing of the status of Jerusalem".

UN/Resolution 476:'reiterates'..that Israel's claim to Jerusalem are..'null and void'".

UN/Resolution 478:'censures(Israel)in the strongest terms'..for its claim to Jerusalem in its..'Basic Law'

http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/WMDlies.html
http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/articles/2009/05/22/jewish_agencies_forced_to_downsize/
deceptions
http://revisionistreview.blogspot.com/2009/05/synagogue-bomb-plot-latest-zionist.html
propaganda
http://mantiqaltayr.wordpress.com/2009/05/22/have-you-killed-a-palestinian-today/
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/frank-schaeffer/republican-disaster----th_b_205388.html

http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=95524&sectionid=351020202
http://www.wakeupfromyourslumber.blogspot.com/
the fruits of antsemitism?
http://www.prisonplanet.com/media-ignores-real-controversy-behind-torture-photos-they-show-prison-guards-raping-children.html
Posted by one under god, Sunday, 24 May 2009 2:50:00 PM
Find out more about this user Visit this user's webpage Recommend this comment for deletion Return to top of page Return to Forum Main Page Copy comment URL to clipboard
The war crimes committed by Israel are very real as are the crimes committed by the USA.
It is not the Jewish religion at fault in Israel nor Christianity in the US illegal wars.
The problem in Palestine is the Zionist backed illegal expansion and the uncontrolled growth of outposts.
Just as Hilter foretold his intentions in Mein Kemp the Zionists have broadcast their desire for Greater Israel.
This has nothing to do with antisemitism this about stopping greedy land grabbing.
Posted by beefyboy, Thursday, 11 June 2009 10:42:16 PM
Find out more about this user Recommend this comment for deletion Return to top of page Return to Forum Main Page Copy comment URL to clipboard
  1. Pages:
  2. 1
  3. 2
  4. 3
  5. 4
  6. 5
  7. 6
  8. Page 7
  9. All

About Us :: Search :: Discuss :: Feedback :: Legals :: Privacy