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Criticising the Israeli government or anti-Semitism? : Comments

By Dave Smith, published 14/5/2009

It has become politically fashionable to equate any criticism of the government of Israel with anti-Semitism.

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Writing from the US, what the media and pols all repeat is the erroneous translation of the remark attributed to Ahmadinejad that, "Israel must be wiped off the map."

The Facts are that, "In his October 2005 speech, Mr. Ahmadinejad never used the word "map" or the term "wiped off". According to Farsi-language experts like Juan Cole and even right-wing services like MEMRI, what he actually said was "this regime that is occupying Jerusalem must vanish from the page of time."

"In this speech to an annual anti-Zionist conference, Mr. Ahmadinejad was being prophetic, not threatening. He was citing Imam Khomeini, who said this line in the 1980s (a period when Israel was actually selling arms to Iran, so apparently it was not viewed as so ghastly then).

"Mr. Ahmadinejad had just reminded his audience that the Shah's regime, the Soviet Union, and Saddam Hussein had all seemed enormously powerful and immovable, yet the first two had vanished almost beyond recall and the third now languished in prison. So, too, the "occupying regime" in Jerusalem would someday be gone. His message was, in essence, "This too shall pass."-Virginia Tilley, Professor of political science

This patriotic [meaning I love my country enough to dissent and criticize when my govt. does wrong] American Christian is in solidarity with an END to the Occupation and Equal Human Rights for ALL as the only way to security and peace.

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http://www.wearewideawake.org/
Posted by eileen fleming, Friday, 15 May 2009 11:03:59 PM
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first thing this morning i heard 70 percent of kids in the latest putche in sri-lanca[re the tamal tigers]have been sepperated in the murderous exodus trying to escape the war front[joined the same re pakistan exodus]noted the silence re palistein,and the pope's non visiting west bank

i recalled the mossad links to the war,911.as well as mossad in georgia..[noted the silence as the blockade of palistein continues]recall the phospherous bombs in west bank..[in short been joining a few dots]

US/Israel Want Genocide in Sri Lanka

Mossad in Sri Lanka
Mossad has caused Sri Lanka’s fighting to become some of the bloodiest in human history.Entire villages are routinely wiped out. Massacres happen almost daily.Over 70,000 people have been killed.

http://www.nowpublic.com/world/world-s-most-dangerous-collaboration
The World’s Most Dangerous Collaboration
By Zaheerul Hassan
December 24, 2008...8:21 pm
http://pakalert.wordpress.com/2008/12/24/the-world-most-dangerous-coll...

http://www.wordofmouthexperiment.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=993&view=pr...
SRI LANKA, MOSSAD and the CIA,DRUGS AND ARMS DEALERS
Sunday, August 14, 2005
http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/fakealqaeda.html?q=fakealqaeda.html

This memo justified a war of aggression and all the crimes and abuses of power abroad and at home that were justified by the war
http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/dearcormed.php

Who Rules America?
By Paul Craig Roberts
http://informationclearinghouse.info/article22611.htm
http://rawstory.com/08/news/2009/05/15/gop-democratic-leader-inadvertently-expose-israeli-lobbyists-behind-their-letter-to-obama/

http://lataan.blogspot.com/2009/05/how-will-israel-attack-iran.html
http://lataan.blogspot.com/2009/05/israel-now-agrees-to-tell-us-when-it-is.html
http://rawstory.com/news/afp/CIA_chief_in_secret_Israel_talks_on_05142009.html
Lawrence Wilkerson Drops an Iraq-Torture Bombshell
By Bob Fertik
http://informationclearinghouse.info/article22616.htm
http://murdochspropagandists.blogspot.com/
"Ugly" Questions for Gen. Myers
By Ray McGovern
http://informationclearinghouse.info/article22617.htm
http://lataan.blogspot.com/2009/04/israeli-rhetoric-over-iran-becoming.html
So Long Since Dreaming Made Sense.
By Paul A. Moore
http://informationclearinghouse.info/article22613.htm
http://www.prisonplanet.com/israel-ups-war-training-despite-us-discontent.html

Are the people who 'really run the world' meeting this weekend?
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1085589.html
http://www.unobserver.com/index.php?pagina=layout5.php&id=5959&blz=1
http://www.prisonplanet.com/tucker-confirms-geithner-presence-at-bilderberg-meeting.html
http://www.prisonplanet.com/tucker-bilderberg-owns-obama.html
The attacks of 9/11, be they whatever they were,could not have possibly been accomplished without the complicity of the military
http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/9-11BasicQuestions.html
Does that mean it is anti-Semitic to criticize Israel?
http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/commentary/la-oe-goldberg12-2009may12,0,1363776.story
http://murdochspropagandists.blogspot.com/2009/05/australian-murdoch-islamophobe.html
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1085215.html
Posted by one under god, Saturday, 16 May 2009 6:50:30 AM
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Cazza

The UN - a body dominated by the imperialist powers - has a definition of genocide which is applicable here.

The dispossession of the Palestinians, driving them off their land, and then continuing the logic of that process for 61 years, is genocide. The very UN act of dividing the land up was an act of genocide.

The fact the UN did this does not absolve genocide.

The same issue arose in th Bringing Them Home report when Justice Wilson called the stolen generations policy genocide. Why? Because it was under the UN definition.

As to Israel being incompetent at genocide, I would have thought that its actions over the last 61 years, killing many and creating 6 million refugees, gives the lie to that.

And thanks to Eileen Fleming for pointing out the Iranian dictator actually called for the destruction of the Israeli state, not its people. (Much like the ANC called for the destruction of apartheid, not the Boers.)
Posted by Passy, Saturday, 16 May 2009 7:14:29 AM
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eileen fleming (who doesn’t think enough of herself to capitalize her initials)

There is nothing erroneous about the “…translation of the remark attributed to Ahmadinejad that, "Israel must be wiped off the map."
The horrible little man has said it often enough for even the most disinterested person to know about it.

Neither I, nor the media, have said that he made the remark on October 2005.

Mac,

Thanks for what you promise will be your final lecture. I am not trying to bully anyone, and I have not painted myself into a corner. You have shown that you clearly do not believe in freedom of speech for anyone but yourself and those you agree with.

I do know what “ad hominem” means, thank you. You and others with a limited vocabulary use it ad nauseum. I won’t imitate your pathetic attempt at insult to explain that one to you.

I don’t feel that my opinions have ever been “shredded”; certainly not by you.

Keep on raving. I don’t intend giving you the satisfaction of responding to you again.
Posted by Leigh, Saturday, 16 May 2009 11:48:56 AM
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Passy,
Passy, pussy, passé.
P-l-e-a-s-e, when you go home tonight, take down that life-sized poster of Mahmoud Ahmadinejad from your bedroom wall.
Yes, I know, he has almost the same number of letters in his name as Arnold Schwarzenegger, but really, he just doesn’t cut it as a poster boy–and, removing it will probably do wonders for that chronic stomach ache you’ve been blaming on “imperialism!”

Ahmadinejad ‘s speech might have been a little bit– more credible– if he did not represent a country that has had a long ( & continuing) history of genocidial policies towards its minorities – Zoroastrian, Christian and Baha’i! If Mr Ahmadinejad ‘s real concerns were genocide, rather than jostling for top of the sand-pile, he would have been better advised to start with cleaning-up his own backyard.

And as for : “The fact that the only countries to walk out were white colonial or colonial settler states ”
It took me a while to work this one out! “Settler states” – but, the Arab countries DIDN’T walk out – you said so yourself ?

Then it clicked , Ah Har !
You don’t know your middle eastern history!

That’s why you thought “settler states” and Arab states were two distinct categories!
The Arab states are just as much settler states as Israel– or anyone else!

And Pan-Arabism/ Arab Nationalism – however you might like to badge it, is a not too distant cousin to Zionism (as the Turkmen, Assyrians & others living under Arab rule will testify)

It’s just that the Arabs(& their wantabe accepted, Iranian neigbours) are a lot better at the cover-up – a lot, lot better at re-writing history!
Posted by Horus, Saturday, 16 May 2009 1:23:34 PM
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Horus

Your comments are typical of the nonsense that passes for debate from Zionists. Actually I supported the left in Iran in 78 and 79, hoping to see the workers' revolution against the Shah not get stolen by the islamists. unfortunately the politics of the nationalist and Stalinist left were not up to the the task.

Actually if you read my blog (En Passant with John Passant) you'll see I have joined a campaign to free the 100 May Day marchers that the dictatorship has detained.

I know my Arab history. Most of these countries are the creation of imperialism. So? That doesn't make them settler states like Australia, South Africa or Israel.

The Iranian ruler's speech at Durban II said nothing remarkable. Even some Israeli historians would agree with it. (I have on my blog a defence of his speech.)

The walkout was by the Western supporters of racist Israel, including the very imperialist nations whose rape and pillage of the globe has created the world of war we live in.

The corrupt (mainly Western supported) dictators in charge in the Middle East at the monument will be swept away by the Arab masses at some stage and then a new vision for Palestine - a rainbow nation - can come more sharply into focus.

Unfortunately you don't want to understand the point. Read the articles on my blog if you want some elucidation, but presumably that will only confirm your fact free analysis.
Posted by Passy, Saturday, 16 May 2009 2:14:26 PM
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