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The power of hatred : Comments

By David Knoll, published 7/4/2009

Should freedom of expression include the licence to offend when this is a free pass to vilification, intimidation and bullying.

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pynchme, it's evident that your idea is that there should be no burden of proof and no individual judgements made about veracity before a whole slew of expensive and intrusive procedures swing into action.

We call that authoritarianism and usually, the only ones who are comfortable with that are the ones who think they're not subject to authority. They're nearly always mistaken about that.

pynchme:"automatically discount claims of abuse"

Where is your evidence there was anything "automatic" in the decisions made? I'm sure the DP thought long and hard about it but if, as I suspect, these girls had a history of discipline problems and knowing the propensity for gossip and lying among schoolgirls, he then discounted their testimony accordingly. As I have said repeatedly, we call this a "judgement" and it is one of the marks of adulthood that we make judgements. Sometimes we get it wrong, which can be upsetting or even catastrophic, but if we are given no opportunity to do so, most people are much less happy. There are some, like yourself of course, who want all their thinking done by someone else, but they're a small subset.
Posted by Antiseptic, Sunday, 17 May 2009 6:57:44 AM
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Antiseptic: The evidence of "automatic" judgement against the students is right there in your own post. You have NO evidence that the students had a record of troublesome behaviour but you would automatically much rather crucify them and their future, as well as that of the responsible teacher, as well as the few students who were drugged and molested; than even remotely entertain the notion that the DP should have followed the procedures he is well paid to follow. That's his job.

THAT's the problem right there and you are part of it.
Posted by Pynchme, Sunday, 17 May 2009 10:55:14 AM
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pynchme:"You have NO evidence that the students had a record of troublesome behaviour "

Entirely correct; I'm speculating on a possible (probable, I'd say) chain of events, given my knowledge of schoolgirls. I'm also NOT the Deputy Principal of their school, am I? He most assuredly WOULD have such evidence, if it existed.

You really have very little capacity for reasoning, don't you?
Posted by Antiseptic, Sunday, 17 May 2009 11:49:34 AM
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- and your evil "speculation" is exactly the cause of ongoing systemic problems.

We are talking about grown men - one who wasn't doing his job; the other molesting students, and their various adult enablers versus a couple of school girls - who proved to be quite correct, yet havehad no redress; no reinstatement.

In any case, regardless of the girls', or any student's, history or behaviour - it's HIS behaviour (or that of any molester) that was/is the issue, not theirs.

It's exactly your pro rape, woman loathing attitude that is the reinforcing factor that makes it possible for these types to succeed in their deeds.
Posted by Pynchme, Monday, 18 May 2009 6:51:36 AM
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pynchme:"havehad no redress; no reinstatement."

I'm sure they will, however, have the chance to sue through the courts and will no doubt receive State support via legal aid to do so. See, that's the "system" working.

pynchme:"HIS behaviour (or that of any molester) that was/is the issue, not theirs."

When a complaint is made to any authority, that authority evaluates the sourse. That is part of what the authority is paid to do - use judgement to determine if a claim is likely to be baseless. As a parent, I do it daily, sometimes no doubt getting it wrong. Teachers and Principals are asked to do so dozens of times a day and they have a pretty broad database of prior behaviours they can use to assist them.

To use an example from my own parenting, if my son coes to me and complains that his sister is "hogging" the computer, I am always mindful that his preferred activity is playing games on the computer and that his idea of "fair" is for her to get roughly 32 seconds a day. I evaluate the claim before I take action. I might use other things I know, such as how long she's actually been using it and whether they've just had a spat, but if I'm busy, I might just put him off on the balance of probabilities.

Now, I'm not suggesting this is anything like a claim of a sexual assault, but the same process applies for most adults, I suspect. If the girls had a history of troublemaking or malicious gossiping and the Principal had a blemish-free record, I'd no doubt have done similarly.

Reputation matters. Try getting a loan with a history of bad debts.
Posted by Antiseptic, Monday, 18 May 2009 7:19:43 AM
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Give it up, Pynchme.

It is not capitulation to this fellas point of view, it is the recognition of the fact that he pops up on every thread that even dares to suggest that men can be abusers in any way shape or form.

Frankly, he seems to have a set text on subjects like this. Again,.......and again....

At least others who hold some of these views have the intelligence to post on other subjects, but septic is obsessed on one topic only.

Leave him to amuse himself.
Posted by Ginx, Monday, 18 May 2009 11:30:31 AM
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