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Letter to Kevin Rudd: stop coal plants now : Comments

By James Hansen, published 3/4/2008

The science is unambiguous: if we burn most of the fossil fuels, releasing the CO2 to the air, we will assuredly destroy much of the fabric of life on the planet.

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Wow Chris. That has to be the most uneducated, plaining wrong post I have ever read....

Jimmy's 'letter to Kevin Rudd' is self-evidently a political action. So your post is plain wrong from the start. Add to that he also received a grant from the far left group OSI (george Soros) for the 'politicization of science' is yet another example. (and another from the left wing Heinz foundation)

It is a matter of record that Hansen admitted he did not follow NASA guidelines for notifying them of giving interviews (note...the requirement was to notify, not have his comments vetted). Hansen constantly goes on massive rants about policy, not science, and this quite rightly, should be considered outside of his role at NASA and certainly places him outside being a scientist.

Consider also, his views are more one-sided catastrophic and extreme than most of the AGW scientists, showing him clearly to be a spin doctor. An example of this is his one-sided comments about the breakup of the west antarctic ice shelf, without mentioning that the antarctic has hit all time highs in volumes of ice. This self-serving cherry picking of events shows him clearly spin doctoring.

That his 'scientific' methods do not follow simple scientific requirements to enable reproducability, is a clear indication of his lack of objectivity and status as a scientist of good note.

Considering the vast acceleration of interviews and news articles quoting him, claiming he has been censored is a furfee...

In fact, there is no such thing as a 'man of pure science'. It is an absurdity and shows poorly on your grasp on reality. Perhaps your own homework is in need of some extra effort
Posted by Grey, Thursday, 3 April 2008 12:48:41 PM
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What a load of malarky "Grey", you know full well that the Soros grant claim has been completely dubunked - Hansen never took a dime.

See: http://www.columbia.edu/~jeh1/distro_Lawlessness_070927.pdf

When people choose to pedal untruths in order to build a case, you know how solid their arguments are and where their motivations lies.

Oh, and if it's just the alarmist statements of one maverick yank, then why is it that a bunch of Australia's most respected climate scientists are happy to provide further statements to support his statements? See the names at the end of the letter, and the comments here:

http://www.aussmc.org/Hansen_letter_to_Rudd.php
Posted by Amaranthus, Thursday, 3 April 2008 1:18:32 PM
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I can see why J.Hansen might write this letter, but suspect he is wasting his time. Australia is plainly still under the rule of the same old fossil fools, men who wont allow the common good to stand in the way of their personal profit. Notice Rudd & Brumbys enthusiasm for the 'lets pretend' of carbon capture & storage in SW Vic, a process abandoned by the US http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/chi-thu_futuregenjan31,0,2119234.story and by BP.

If any foreigners are reading this, particularly in the EU, BRING ON THE SANCTIONS & INTERNATIONAL CRIMINAL COURT PROSECUTIONS NOW! cos nothing else will wake our business elites up to their malignant irresponsibility. Those elites will then change the minds of their flunkeys in media and politics.
Posted by Liam, Thursday, 3 April 2008 1:23:14 PM
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Dear Mr Rudd,
You have received a letter from the American, James Hansen, warning you of what will happen to the world if you don't do what he wants, actions which seem pretty draconian to me. Can I suggest that you establish a Royal Commission into the question of anthropogenic global warming, and wait for its outcome, before you do anything in this domain? The science of climate change is not settled at all, and all you are hearing, at least publicly, is from the one direction. Any serious inspection will show that (i) the earth may have warmed a little in the last century, but (ii) such warming (or equivalent cooling) has occurred before and will no doubt occur again, and (iii) whether or not human beings have caused whatever warming has occurred is still unsure; the link between CO2 concentrations and warming is pretty weak. Australia needs a decent debate on all this. Could you help to create it?
Posted by Don Aitkin, Thursday, 3 April 2008 2:03:47 PM
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This is the same Jimbo Hansen who created the dodgy "hockey stick" and then as a lead author of that chapter of the IPCC report, decided that it should get major billing.

Now Hansen says ... "The conclusion that net carbon emissions must be cut to a fraction of current emissions must be stunning and sobering to policy-makers. Yet the science is unambiguous....".

The science is still very ambiguous but leaning in favour of those who say that temperatures are the product of natural forces. Just look at current temperatures falling due to the La Nina.

There's no firm evidence that human activity has had a significant influence on the general climate (c.f. very localised climate) and there's certainly no demonstrable overwhelming consensus to that effect (although as we all know, a consensus means little in science).

The best thing that anyone can do with Hansen is sue him for fraud.
Posted by Snowman, Thursday, 3 April 2008 4:47:52 PM
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Hah, what a laughable bunch you deniers/delayers/delusionists are. Sorry Snowman, I think global warming must have melted your head, or was that just your honesty?

Jim Hansen didn't create the original hockey stick, Mike Mann did. And that 'dodgy' graph was subsequently supported by a National Academy of Sciences inquiry commissioned by the US, and a further 13 updated hockey-stick proxies (tree rings, coral growth, stalactites, stable isotopes, boreholes, etc., etc.) were included prominently in various chapters of Working Group I report of the IPCC 4th Assessment (AR4).

For a laypersons summary (which you clearly need given that you didn't bother to actually read anything more than the summary for policy makers of AR4) is here:

http://www.skepticalscience.com/broken-hockey-stick.htm

For your laughable "global warming stopped in [insert convenient cherry-picked year]" furphy argument re: falling temperatures and La Nina, see here:

http://www.skepticalscience.com/Global-warming-stopped-in-1981.html

For the accumulation of firm evidence, perhaps start with Spencer Weart's "The Discovery of Global Warming" (http://www.amazon.com/Discovery-Warming-Histories-Technology-Medicine/dp/0674016378/ref=pd_bxgy_b_img_a) and then, once you have a scintilla of historical background, you might want to dare to open AR4 and look over the >1000 pages of scientific evidence presented therein (http://www.ipcc.ch/).

Perhaps it is people like you, Mr Right, Grey, grn, and Don Aitkin who should be sued for fraud.
Posted by Amaranthus, Thursday, 3 April 2008 5:08:11 PM
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