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Preachers and presidents : Comments

By Alan Matheson, published 10/3/2008

The way Americans do religion, particularly during presidential campaigns, bemuses and frequently scares the hell out of the rest of the world.

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Great stuff.

A concise summary of the role of puritannical sex-paranoid righteous religiosity in USA politics, and its inherently totalitarian agenda(s).

Should be compulsory reading for every one.

Meanwhile these "religious" outfits have very close links with most of the highly influential right-wing USA think tanks with their "gospel" of "free" market capitalism, with its totalizing agenda(s) too---all in the name of "freedom" of course.
Especially the AEI and the Heritage (of lies) Foundation (HF).

The Republican party at prayer. That should that be preying, as in predator.

The same AEI etc that published last Fridays rant by Adam Creighton.

The same AEI and HF that has very close links with our CIS and IPA---which are in a very real sense clones of the AEI and HF.
Posted by Ho Hum, Monday, 10 March 2008 11:31:38 AM
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An excellent article - one written by someone who clearly sees the American right religious nutters for what they are, and the dangers that they represent.
Full marks to Foyle - the forces of superstition and ignorance are completely confounded by critical thinking, especially if taught as a skill from an early age. We owe our children the tools to counteract the pernicious rubbish espoused by the evangelical and apocalyptic doomsayers in their clearly pursued (largely government sponsored)agenda of taking over the education system in this country. Let it not be forgotten that Brendan Nelson has spoken in favour of 'Intelligent Design' being taught in our schools.
Posted by GYM-FISH, Monday, 10 March 2008 11:45:03 AM
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Rosella Blue
''Family First' has threatened terror actions against those who are considered to be against them'

Your ignorance or dishonesty is highlighted in comments like this. It is the earth worshipper's (mostly green voters I suspect) that are by far the most violent in this country (just ask the Police). It is the secular humanist that murder and support the murder of unborn babies in the thousands largely for convenience.

You fears seem displaced. You can sleep well. It won't be the Salvation army or the happy clappers that you need to fear. You can continue to believe in unintelligent design but just be prepared to continue to change your story as evolutionist have done now for decades as fraud after fraud is uncovered.
Posted by runner, Monday, 10 March 2008 12:01:23 PM
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Although this particular article only ends with the ID debate and is not it's focus, I must take issue with runner's claims that science keeps changing decade after decade after frauds are uncovered.

The detailed mechanisms of Evolution are always open to scientific debate as they always should be. The debate over evolution within the scientific community is not whether evolution exists or not, that debate is over, as it is over with gravity.

And yet within the scientific community the debate remains over the mechanisms of gravity, even though general relativity GR put it to rest a century ago. The new model, whenever it comes, will ensure that it contains the elements of GR as GR contained the elements of Newtonian gravity.

Science has in no way changed its view on evolution, that claim rest solely on religion. Indeed, ID is the creationists attempt to re-enter the debate having lost court case after court.

Science has continued to push god out of science and the creationists are responding with ID. Creationism claimed the universe was barely 6 000 years old, now ID (creationism-lite) claims it is 13.7 billion years old, but god still interferes or steers from time to time....until we push that idea out, then we'll get ID-lite.
Posted by RenegadeScience, Monday, 10 March 2008 12:47:01 PM
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Further to my earlier comment - thanks again Foyle. I have had a good look at the site you recommended, and found it to be totally relevant - so much so that the purchase of Law's book 'The War for Children's Minds' is top priority in my book buying budget!
As to the usual drivelling nonsense spewing out of the empty space where Runner's brain should be, it is utterly useless to try to explain to such a person that the very strength of the scientific method is the willingness to review and to change position in accord with new evidence. The central thrust of the reality of Darwinian evolutionary process, driven as it is by natural selection, is utterly beyond argument to anyone with the least modicum of intelligence (not to mention the most elementary understanding of modern biology) and has not changed substantially in principle since it was first postulated by Darwin (and Wallace) around 1860.
Posted by GYM-FISH, Monday, 10 March 2008 12:59:44 PM
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You're all in danger of being classed as old-fashioned reactionary dinosaurs, I'm afraid.

The term is no longer "Intelligent Design"

It is "Objective Origins Science"

http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/MVCS_Science/

C'mon people, get with the programme.

You have to admit, it is a beautifully contrived title, classicaly Orwellian in its construction, the pinnacle of the propagandist's art.

Objective Origin Science.

"Objective". You have to admire the chutzpah. No more pussyfooting around with a concept as malleable as intelligence. Hey, there are even some people who actually believe that Darwin himself was intelligent.

Can't have that. No, from now on we talk only of objectivity.

"Origins": far better than Creation, no-one can doubt that we are all after the same thing - an objective search for our origins.

A little echo too, of "Origin of the Species". Nice touch.

"Science". Well, there you have it. Not conjecture based on faith in some external force guiding our every move, but good old "Science", that we know and love. Except of course we have to leave out such trivia as having to test our theories, but no matter.

We've called it "Science", and Science shall it be.

This is right up there with the Ministry of Love and the Ministry of Peace, as far as perversion of the language goes.

Intelligent Design is not objective, since by definition it postulates a religious presence in the formation of the universe. What is objective about that? It isn't science either, because science requires at least a testable hypothesis from which to establish a theory. The entire philosophy of ID relies on the absence of evidence, not its presence.
Posted by Pericles, Monday, 10 March 2008 3:24:09 PM
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