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By Melanie Phillips, published 7/3/2008Tariq Ramadan's reputation as a Muslim reformer owes everything to the wishful thinking of those who want to believe in him.
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Posted by BOAZ_David, Thursday, 13 March 2008 8:21:15 AM
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Dear BOAZ_David
Thanks for pointing out all my intellectual inadequacies. Just one little point to no doubt further convince you of those inadequacies. But maybe, just maybe, your inability to grasp what I am saying stems from your own intellectual greatness. For mere mortals like me and others on this site, let me simplify. The Americans have used the Shia/Sunni differences deliberately to foster murderous division among Iraqis in Iraq. This prevents these two versions of Islam uniting against their common enemy - the invaders. That unity could also have been not only against something but for something - for freedom and democracy. It is why the invaders have quashed democratic movements in Iraq and imposed their own puppet regime. It is why one of the first acts of the US was to round up trade union and leftist leaders and brand them terrorists. And to Froggie, human nature is not immutable. It changes from society to society, depending ultimately on the nature of the economic system that people live in. Socialism appears to me the next step forward for humanity, away from a world of war and mass murder, from world of incredible poverty for one sixth of the population and desperate poverty for another sixth, to a world of peace where all are well ed and housed and clothed and have adequate life expectancy. And a world where all can participate in all decisions affecting them and the rest of society. Oh and Froggie, when you next post can you make it a little louder? I am as you say a little hard of hearing. Posted by Passy, Thursday, 13 March 2008 8:26:38 PM
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Just signing out of this thread, which has now departed almost unrecognisably from the forgettable article that ostensibly inspired it.
Those who are actually fair minded know who they are. I will always advocate free speech rather than the suppression of even hateful ideas. I do not support radical Islam - or any other version of the God delusion. But I will defend the right of anybody to believe whatever they want and to articulate their beliefs, as long as that doesn't infringe the rights of others. Quite simple really. Posted by CJ Morgan, Thursday, 13 March 2008 9:45:39 PM
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The following article again reminds me of the need for vigilance in Australia, despite those who prefer to wear their rose tinted glasses and who will of course, hasten to accuse me of being an Islamophobe.
Should these allegations be true, one must wonder how unregistered teachers slipped past our Education Department and how were Australian taxpayers' funds utilised in Pakistan? http://www.news.com.au/perthnow/story/0,21598,23368991-2761,00.html Posted by dickie, Thursday, 13 March 2008 11:26:51 PM
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Passy
If you think human nature can be changed radically any time soon, please read a book by Robert Winston called "Human Instinct". Robert Winston is Professor of Fertility studies at Imperial College, University of London. There is a scientific basis to what I said before, Passy. Socialism is a fine ideal, but it's never going to happen. As C J Morgan said, this article about the dangers of Islamism has drifted off topic, all because you wanted to rant about Socialism. How selfish is that? Incidentally C J, I agree with you that free speech should not be banned, even for people like Tariq Ramadan. Our Islamist friends wouldn't agree with us of course, and that is the very point I have been trying to make, albeit not very well. How tolerant should we be of those who are totally intolerant? Posted by Froggie, Friday, 14 March 2008 7:23:17 AM
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CJ Morgan,
What a cowardly, shameless cop-out of a HYPOCRITE that you are !! You are completely unable to get yourself to advocate freedom and democracy in an Islamic Society, (such as Saudi Arabia). Yet you (most unashamedly) have the cheek to still maintain you will "always advocate free speech rather than the suppression of even hateful ideas." Has anyone suppressed your freedom of speech other than your own total incapacity to defend free speech where it matters ?? CJ Morgan, Whether you support radical Islam or not is immaterial. Being your TRUE-SELF is BAD ENOUGH. You are always FREE to leave as much as you are FREE to speak. Don't even pretend this is not the case. So leave as quickest as you can, but LEAVE WITH YOUR TAIL BETWEEN YOUR LEGS !! What a low life of a hypocrite... Posted by gz, Friday, 14 March 2008 8:44:27 AM
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GINX.. you are increddddible seriously.. there is so much I wanted to comment on, but then.. I read yours! Honestly.. I have tears on my cheeks now (from chuckling)..and a kind of lump in my solar plexis at your totally amazing outburst there:)
Ok.. team..check it out:
GINX 1.1 "And you are the utterly odious and repugnant nest of intolerant vipers who have the brass-necked temerity to judge the failings of others"
GINX 1.2 "I have not the patience to counter your incessant diatribes and preaching of all that is intolerant and hateful."
Golllllleeeee Ginxy :) I don't see ANYthing remotely resembling the 'hate' of which you speak, but more.. who can be more 'intolerant' or HATEful than she who calls people an odious nest of vipers? along with the other 5000 adjectives you used in your mini series sermon from your pulpit 6 miles above contradiction there ...
I mean.. that's so hilarious I reckon you should copyright it- might be a few bucks there for ya.
But I think I see the 'sin_bin' looming close to you rear end mate:
*CHOMP*
PS..that link was good. Shows sinful man at his worst.
JOHN PASSEY.. you now blame the Sunni Shia conflict on the AMERICANS? I think I'm going to send the invoice for re-constructive surgery to you (for my now broken jaw which hit the desk when I read that)
Mate.. being a good Marxist, you should at least have a clue or 2 about history... and know that the Sunni Shia thing started wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy back around 635 with the dispute over succession to Mohammad.
But..no.. Passey now has enlightened us all.. "IT'S THE AMERICANS"
"Yep..its them that dun it... them I tell ya"
"Golly John.. ummm.. mate.. (quiet word on the side) ..pssst if you want to be taken seriously here.. don't say such transparently silly and rediculous things"
That dispute was only less public during Sadaams day due to oppression. You know it..I know it.. we all know it.. so why try to fool us with your cheap propaganda?