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Why Australia should sell uranium to India : Comments

By Kaushik Kapisthalam, published 23/8/2007

Australian refusal to supply uranium to India would be a short-sighted move to preserve a failed 60's nuclear order and an affront to India.

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THE PROBLEM:

pakistan , north korea, iran and china should be placed under sanctions for illegal proliferation.

errr "Illegal"?.... by who's law-certainly NOT any that these countries are obliged to.

THE SOLUTION: sorry, there isn't one. ( but see *@* below)

SO.. Autralia will not only sell uranium, but will go nuclear.

We will otherwise just wallow in our self righteousness and indulge in mutual back slapping and self congratulation in out of the way, backwater, 3rd world cafes sipping out latte's as if we actually 'matter' in the big scheme of things. Sheesh...there are more refugees in the world than our whole population.

I have to smile at the infantile, historical and philosphical naivity of those 'do-gooders' who think some huge 'Leftoid magician in the Hegelian sky' is going to drag out a massive socialist white rabbit solution to all these issues from his Marxist hat.....aaaah the dialectic.

*@* well..there is a solution, but it's the one few want and most don't recognize..
can you guess what it is ? Its a solution to our human dilmemna as well as international relations.

"The way is broad, and the gate is wide which leads to destruction and MANY are they that follow it"

Hmmmm who said that ?
Posted by BOAZ_David, Saturday, 25 August 2007 12:08:36 PM
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Why is the IAEA's ElBaradei an enthusiastic supporter of the deal? The IAEA after all will have to negotiate an "India specific" safeguards system (not the INFCIRC153 it uses with NNW states). It will be kept out of many facilities (no full scope). Its inspectors will have to visit reactor complexes where they may safeguard reactor #1, #2 and #4, but may not even enter #3 because it is making bomb material.

For the IAEA, simply getting India into the system is a big plus.
Unlike, say, Pakistan or China, India does not accept technical assistance from the IAEA. India does not even permit IAEA safety inspections.

India is the only non-NPT member that builds both Uranium enrichment plants and Fast Breeder reactors (along with Plutonium reprocessing plants), that builds its own Superconducting Tokamaks for fusion research, that has laser enrichment and laser implosion research facilities. Besides designing thermonuclear weapons, it is building a nuclear submarine (sea trials next year according to a report yesterday) and has already tested SLCMs and the launcher for a SLBM. It is the only non-NPT member that has a space program capable of reaching geosynchronous orbit. It is building formidable lift capability - 10 tons to earth orbit. Early next year an Indian rocket will send a probe to orbit the moon and map its surface for mineral deposits.

Dr. ElBaradei sees all this "technology of concern" and wants India inside the system.

"It's better to have the camel inside the tent pissing out, than outside the tent pissing in." - President Lyndon B. Johnson.

There is a lot being made about the "islanding" of military designated facilities where the IAEA will be forbidden to enter. India is actually physically moving and shutting down civilian research reactors inside these facilities to avoid having IAEA inspectors even enter the grounds. This is actually not as bad as it sounds. The IAEA teams include inspectors from many nations. Do we really want inspectors from, say, Brazil or Indonesia or Nigeria, inside a bomb making facility or a bomb design and test facility?
Posted by john frum, Sunday, 26 August 2007 2:02:36 AM
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As with uranium, its use in in the hands of the user...like a car can do a range of funtions from taking life to transporting...albeit potential of uranium to take vast amount of life is truly exceptional...

So, I think it comes to common morality and balance of a society to sustain itself and among others...and here India has a problem...

Firstly, a country of ordinary decent people as a whole common consciousness would want to minimize the gap between the rich and poor...not only has it got worse but the acceptance of desparity is the most concerning...yes appropriate lip service and actions occur time to time...but little dend in daily reality to the desparately poor...and mix this with almost reverence of rich and how they became that way...to which there is a general aspiration towards...imbalances the most fundamental element of sustainable society...money especially rules in India...if thats changed to person and quality of life and sinse of happiness...then there is less to worry about...and become little different to any other country...

yes India is begining to roll in real money...but ask any good Indian where most of this money ends up...there is a strangle hold between politics, established old business families and judiciary...more that usual comparitively...so rich get richer and poor poorer...and we all know where this cycle naturally lead to...

A graphic example...Indian army foot soldiers are mainly poor villagers...and there is markedly less respect for the little they have by commanders(educatated richer families)...which includes their life...the only valuable thing left to give the government for money...Golden Temple fiasco there was a long exposed walkway over pond to isolated central temple building where seikh well-armed militants defending it...the foot soldiers were sent wave after wave without protection and mowed down that Im told the militants finally stopped firing because they could not carry on the bloodshed...then they were shot on site...

this is one of Indias biggest problem...how it treats its own...and worries the rest of us...

Sam
Posted by Sam said, Sunday, 26 August 2007 10:00:17 AM
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Ecotrin ("You are wrong and john is right. "Besides, Uranium to India has already been decided upon and there is nothing you can do about it".)

Mmmm. Strong argument there. And wrong.
http://www.votenuclearfree.net

(Ecotrin: "Stop being a loser and grow up".)

Wow, the usual need to revert to that? References?
No need to get personal, you twit. And how many years of research and non-vested interest work have YOU done to help make our world a safer place?
Posted by Atom1, Sunday, 26 August 2007 11:43:02 AM
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Referenced Briefing Paper: Uranium, India and the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Regime:
http://www.energyscience.org.au/BP18%20India.pdf

And on Safeguards:
Australian safeguards have been eroded by successive governments. The Director-General of the International Atomic Energy Agency has repeatedly pointed to numerous flaws and limitations of the safeguards system yet the Australian Government persists with the fiction that safeguards ‘ensure’ that uranium exports will not be used in nuclear weapons.
http://www.energyscience.org.au/FS11%20Nuclear%20Safeguards.pdf

- Professor Richard Broinowski, University of Sydney, former Australian Ambassador to Vietnam, Republic of Korea, Mexico, the Central American Republics and Cuba and author of Fact or Fission — the Truth about Australia’s Nuclear Ambitions (Melbourne: Scribe, 2003).

http://www.votenuclearfree.net
Posted by Atom1, Sunday, 26 August 2007 11:53:57 AM
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> minimize the gap between the rich and poor.

That will take decades more. There is no magic wand that can be waved to raise people from poverty. It requires industrialization and urbanization. How long did it take, say Ireland, after its independence to raise living standards? Was there a immediate redistribution of wealth after the British left Ireland? Did everyone suddenly have enough to eat? Did everyone get decent housing?

India's flirtation with Socialism has hobbled its economy and condemned hundreds of millions to poverty. Only now are things changing.. and the Indian Left is still resisting reforms, especially ones that would facilitate low skill manufacturing...

Lee Kwan Yew commented that he admired the goals of Indian Socialists. But unlike them, he realized that one has to first bake a cake before one can share it.
Posted by john frum, Sunday, 26 August 2007 12:09:19 PM
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