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Our finite planet: planning for a decline in our oil bounty : Comments

By Michael Lardelli, published 20/8/2007

Residents of our outer suburbs are almost completely dependent on car transport. We need to plan now for less and more expensive oil.

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Go back 70-100 years, lots of people still lived in villages,
on their quarter-half acre blocks. They grew a few veggies, had
a few chooks and some fruit trees. The kids cycled or walked to
school, dad worked not far from home. People focussed on the
local. Energy consumption per family would have been quite low.

No reason we can't go back to that, high density living only
causes even greater problems.

But the market will sort that out, not Govts. As fuel goes up
in price, people will seek employment a little closer to home,
etc. etc.
Posted by Yabby, Tuesday, 21 August 2007 7:22:31 PM
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"As fuel goes up in price, people will seek employment a little closer to home,etc. etc."

NO THEY WON'T, people will seek employment in armies, killing dopey consumers that the Generals may Maintain THEIR CURRENT lifestyles.

No one with a brain will go backwards if they don't have to and government armies won't have fuel to save anything but a small fraction of Yabby look-alikes.

No one really knows why Rome fell or why we had WWI&II. There are lots of theories but we don't really know why. But we are about to find out unless we stop immigration and boost technology to cope with ageing populations.

People are sick of the prioritisation of ECONOMIC GROWTH and POLITICAL POWER IMMIGRATION (Beatie, Howard, Iemma) over the future of our fragile desert nation. This practice according to Noam Chomsky (Manufacturing Consent) only serves the top 10% of global economic elites whose wealth is predominantly based oil, food, media and very soon gambling and water stocks. That top 10% call this practice global economics when in reality it is global consumer farming. After consumers have been fattened up with wealth and 8 billion people try to fit in a 2025 world without oil, some 6 billion people will be ready for the abbatoirs. If 2billion people could coexist on coal in 1890 then that numner again will have to coexist AFTER 2025.

If anyone here thinks that under circumstances of imposed poverty from energy sources peaking, that we will show higher moral standards than those in Rwanda and Darfur they are badly mistaken.

And a tip for the savvy investor in the current consumer farming global economy: invest in hammers and clubs!@!
Posted by KAEP, Tuesday, 21 August 2007 8:30:04 PM
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"No one with a brain will go backwards"

Hehe Kaep, I'm not sure of your age, but you are a bad observer
or philosopher :)

When kids are young, they think they know everything, head for the
big cities and bright lights, where all the so called action is.
They are going to conquer the world.

When they get to 40, they suddenly realise that they are on a treadmill,
peddling away furiously, paying huge mortgages etc,
but still not really happy.

When they get to their 50s and 60s, huge numbers that can afford
it, are becoming sea changers and tree changers. Look around you,
businessmen and politicians, buying country retreats, to breed
horses, grow grapes, whatever. They need to escape, what they now
understand as the ratrace.

They become grey nomads or potter around in the garden.

So what was forwards and what was backwards? :)
Posted by Yabby, Tuesday, 21 August 2007 8:46:30 PM
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A.P.E.C. (Agrification of Political and Economic Consumerisation):

Achieving with Windows and Wordprocessors what H-Bombs never could.
Posted by KAEP, Tuesday, 21 August 2007 8:59:27 PM
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... since the discussion has sunk thus far already ...

Tips for savvy investors prior to economic collapse:
(scroll down, laughing all the way)

http://energybulletin.net/23259.html

"Consumer farming", qv Vivoleum:

http://www.google.com/search?q=vivoleum
Posted by xoddam, Wednesday, 22 August 2007 3:45:34 PM
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"If anyone here thinks that under circumstances of imposed poverty from energy sources peaking, that we will show higher moral standards than those in Rwanda and Darfur they are badly mistaken."

Well we have an idea, like on Easter island, where people turned
to cannibalism in the end.

But alot of this is a religious problem. The Catholic Church is
convinced we should cram ever more humans onto the planet and
actively encourage that to happen. Catholic commandoes were burning
condoms in Rwanda, before the proverbial cr*p hit the fan.

If it was up to me, I would charge the pope with environmental
degredation :)

Meantime its cities who will be the first to face major problems.
Cut the power to a city and see what happens. Those who quite
happily live in the country, like me, are clearly the smart ones :)

Or you have Europe, the NE USA etc, all depending on Arabs and Russians to keep warm, as they burn ever more expensive oil and
gas. For me, there is plenty of firewood out there, even a bit
of land to grow some biodiesel.

We in Aus are pretty lucky really, we have all these options that
others don't have.
Posted by Yabby, Wednesday, 22 August 2007 10:44:05 PM
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