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We are playing a dangerous game : Comments

By Brian Holden, published 3/8/2007

The media’s unrelenting promotion of a negative image of Islam and the government’s scare tactics must cease.

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Still pay you to do a course in the global necessity of power balances in the nuclear age, Paull. As well as the necessity not to force the issue on a neighbour.

It is alright to say that Israel works independently of America. Fact is that without America Israel would probably have had to finds it's future not in the Middle East, but most likely among the former British Commonwealth of Nations, as I mentioned previously.

Personally, as a woolgrower as well as a grainfarmer, have had a lot to do with Australian Jews, and believe as progessive individuals they have been a benefit to us as citizens.

But because they are more like we are, certain Britishers were dead right at the time not to agree for them to return to Israel.

Both us and the Jews have to live with the fact that Muslims are different to us. And it is believed we can still live in the same world as they do, without forcing some sort of democracy on them.

Finally, right since the West has profitted from using Socratic Reasoning to tone down fundamental religous faith, we have fallen out with Islam which has been forced to retreat back into its own faith-filled fundamentalism.

However, the belief from many social scientists is for us Westerners to let them find out for themselves, which they surely will, as long as we leave them alone.

As an Iranian woman Judge declared. These Americans and Britishers, they so often talk about converting us to democracy as they tried with the Shah. But we will eventually find our own democracy, thank you very much.

The lady is so right as proven with Singapore, Malyasia and Vietnam, they were able learn from us - but without having change forced upon them.

The Brits should have learned a lesson shown by Gandhi in India - even as Nelson Mandela has mentioned - it is such a pity.

Regards - BB
Posted by bushbred, Tuesday, 14 August 2007 5:26:45 PM
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'It's poor taste, like the poor taste you often read on this web site.'

No liz. Those Muslim Village comments are far worse than mere 'poor taste'. They glorify death.

I used to wonder about the warped mindset of Islamic suicide bombers. Now I understand the origins of their motivation - 'The Mohammedan Cult'
Posted by TR, Tuesday, 14 August 2007 8:43:35 PM
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The sad fact, TR, is that the poorly armed Muslims have become forced to glorify death, owing to the suicide bombing they are prepared to use as a last resort to battle against heavily armed imperialist countries like America and Britain.

Just as the Japanese were forced to rely on Kamikase bombing when they were on their last legs.

Remember also how the Christians gladly gave their lives against the Romans.

Remember also the tale about those who live in glass houses, need to put themselves in the other's shoes.

There is much about such in the Sermon on the Mount, TR, really not so much to do about right or wrong, but very much so about the reason why, which surprisingly has not so much to do with Christian faith, but more in touch with Socratic Reasoning.

None of us in our right minds would like to become like Muslims, TR, but it does pay to use our noggins a bit better.
Posted by bushbred, Wednesday, 15 August 2007 5:05:30 PM
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Bushbred

What happened to Ghandi? Partition of India/Pakistan with millions of deaths through ethnic warfare. He did India a real service didn’t he? Power comes from the barrel of a gun. Always has and always will. That’s why our police are armed. Passive resistance will only ever work on enlightened peoples.

Its bigotry to suggest that the Israelis don’t have a right to live in the Middle East.

I think it is extremely naïve to suggest that the Iranians should have nuclear weapons in order to balance Israels. Israel has invaded no country, that hadn’t first attacked Israel. They have never used their nuclear weapons and in my opinion have them only to deter arab/muslim countries from continuing to invade Israel. I have zero confidence that Iran won't pass nuclear technology onto Hezbollah. From there it is only a matter of time before a bomb turns up in downtown Tel Aviv.

Are you suggesting that Clinton and the UN were right to stand by and watch in Rwanda, because they’ll eventually become democratic.? Should we ignore flagrant human rights abuses because the perpetrators are muslims?

The very idea that bringing democracy to a country is wrong, shows your lack of sympathy with real people and your support of non democratic regimes.

The Japanese kamikaze weren’t killing civilians as their primary method of warfare.
Posted by Paul.L, Wednesday, 15 August 2007 10:56:25 PM
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The following quote needs to be addressed. (from the article)

"Since 9-11, not a single person has been killed or injured by a terrorist on our soil"

Amen.. but look more closely.

11 men on trial in Sydney for allegedly gathering explosives etc...

13 Men on trial in Melbourne for the same alleged crime..

Neither group will stand up for the magistrate, thus showing utter contempt for our legal system.

Having BEEN to the comittal hearing in Melbourne, and seeing these people, and talking with the brother of one, I have a fairly close up perspective on this.

Let me just say, that if proven guilty of the charges, it is NOT that nothing was planned, but that the AFP did a fantastic job of monitoring and surveiling these groups and acted BEFORE the bombs went off.
So, to say 'No one has been killed....etc' in Australia is entirely shallow and silly and worse..it is misleading.
Posted by BOAZ_David, Saturday, 18 August 2007 8:06:14 AM
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Sheesh... and I thought discrimination and racism was a thing of the past, not by reading through this thread it 'aint.
Posted by SPANKY, Saturday, 25 August 2007 9:09:44 PM
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