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War and peace: the Government’s engagement with Indigenous realities : Comments

By Andrew Jakubowicz, published 18/7/2007

The Government has a war aim, the total dissolution of Indigenous communal life and the atomisation of Indigenous communities into indistinguishable Australians.

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Thanks, Col Rouge - the last paragraph says it all. Your remarks are particularly pertinent to (presumeably) tenured sociology lecturers -an especially useless example of an especially useless discipline. Get a job Andrew - try the student union cafeteria. Better still, get a life. Even better, take the money and run so that we can train a doctor/nurse/scientist/engineer with the change.
Posted by GYM-FISH, Wednesday, 18 July 2007 5:14:45 PM
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What intellectual giants we meet on OLO postings!

GYM-FISH takes us back to the failed policies of assimilation and stirs in some silly paranoia – it’s “either assimilation or annihilation - take your pick - in the face of the ever growing Chinese onslaught”.

grn can only laugh at his own fancied homoerotica.

Communicat gives us ancient false assertions based on what he calls “my discussions with them [Indigenous people]” and from what “I am told”.

Col Rouge offers a pop-psychology personality assessment: “Oh what a sad and angry individual Andrew Jakubowicz seems.”

These tired foot soldiers of a long-discredited assimilationism show no understanding of Jakubowicz’ argument and so are in no position to engage with his ideas.

Bereft of imagination and conceptual insight, they retreat to the old familiar attacks on academics. They can’t even recognize their own self-parody in the hypocritical attacks on “unimaginative swill of a lazy mind”. Lazy minds indeed.
Posted by FrankGol, Wednesday, 18 July 2007 6:07:14 PM
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Once again the pseudo-intellectuals rant and rave against assimilation. Lets face it, the ones who have done the best are the "Stolen Generation" who have been assimilated into the rest of society. I hope some of you watched the "Four Corners" program that showed what Noel Pearson is trying to do for the people of Cape York. He seems to be fighting a losing battle against the forces of alcohol which has been made available because the do-gooder academics are bereft of any constructive ideas. At the present time there are many Aboriginal communities who don't need the whites to do anything towards wiping themselves out, they are doing a good job of it themselves.

Gym-fish, Communicat and Col Rouge are all on the ball, the rest of you might as well crawl back under your rocks.
Posted by VK3AUU, Wednesday, 18 July 2007 7:25:45 PM
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As a comment on the article I'd prefer to quote the words of Noel Pearson, interviewed on Lateline 26 June 2007:

"It will depend on Indigenous people at the end of the day asking themselves and answering the question, asking themselves whether they believe the integrity and wellbeing of their children is the number one priority in the world, and if it is, if it is, let's understand that everything happens within a political context. Of course this is a political context. Of course we don't like that person and we don't, we don't like that party and we don't - we suspect that person's motives and so on, but geez, the imperative here is the protection of our children and we as Indigenous people have got to ask ourselves the hard question - do we put the protection of our children ahead of everything else? Ahead of the fact - ahead of the question as to whether we like the Prime Minister, or we don't like the Prime Minister, or we like that Government or we don't like that Government.

I mean, quite frankly I couldn't care less whether John Howard or Kevin Rudd ruled this world. My priority is to take advantage for immediate intervention for the protection of children."

'Nuff said?
Posted by Cornflower, Wednesday, 18 July 2007 8:34:09 PM
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Can anybody actually explain what the author means when he says of Australian society

"It requires a vision of real indigenous economic development based on the capacity to realise the value extracted from indigenous lands by our forebears"?
Posted by palimpsest, Wednesday, 18 July 2007 10:41:18 PM
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Ah I was not expecting shared support for my view when I read the earlier posts so thank you later posters for your expressions of support for the view.

FrankGol “Bereft of imagination and conceptual insight, they retreat to the old familiar attacks on academics. They can’t even recognize their own self-parody in the hypocritical attacks on “unimaginative swill of a lazy mind”. Lazy minds indeed.”

Ah well, we would expect no more from Frank, that less versed old slapper.

When I am criticised by the likes of you, Frank, I know I am backing a winner.

Now – “imagination” and “conceptual insight”, I challenge you to define how people like myself are so limited, unlike you, I don’t travel with the herd (that’s the socialists mantra and the lowest band on Maslow’s hierarchy).

By choice, I work on short term contracts and so can demonstrate my worth to my clients by the fact that they can terminate my services at a moments notice (but don’t). I am happy for any academic to qualify and quantify the worth of their “tenure” and wonder how many would “hang on to their stipends” if faced with the commercially competitive environment in which I deal.

As for “lazy” minds.
Nothing of your post has exceeded the imaginative rhetoric which you picked up from quoting me. That, in itself, reflects negatively on the vigour and dexterity of your synapses

Have a nice day
Posted by Col Rouge, Thursday, 19 July 2007 11:56:31 AM
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