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Muslim leaders must speak out against radicalisation : Comments

By Anthony Bergin and Jacob Townsend, published 10/7/2007

We should be encouraging Australian Muslims to participate in Australian society and politics.

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Benjamin

May I offer a few additions to your research and your PhD.

In earlier times Islam was the centre of ideas and Europe was the backwater. So Islam is not the problem.

Historically there are periods when groups of Europeans have grouped together and killed and pillaged other societies, eg in Australia, and that was not so long ago.

Christians for centuries on end tried to force their religion on others, that is not an Islamic prerogative, in fact Westerners left for countries like India and hung round in packs trying to force their values on others, even taking away their children.

And do you really hate all non-western cultures? What about Japan, China, India and Thailand, are they not thinking and developing values and ideas?

And Phillip Tang

It is typical of Christians in Spain, Germany, France etc to intimidate non-Christians and destroy their places of worship especially after Saturday prayers, immediately charged up by the hate sermons of the Christian clerics.

Christianity has changed, but it had to. The Medieval Church makes the Bali bombers look like Saints.
Posted by logic, Saturday, 14 July 2007 4:57:42 PM
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Philip Tang,

A muslim can’t be a muslim if you dishonour other religions specially places of worship like churches and the likes.
You need to educate yourself on Islam as seen by Muslims. Here is a video on youtube by Ahmed Deedat on the importance of Jesus (pbuh) and followers of Christianity:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nqFluSiXSkM&mode=related&search=

Benjamin,

Good luck with your PHD, happy to help with any research material if you need to.

I smiled about the ‘western ethics’as it reminded me with a quote by a famous Islamic reformists, Mohammed Abdou (1877). He said exactly what you said when he travelled to Europe in the 19th century “I have seen there Islam but no Muslims, in the Islamic world, there are lots of Muslims but no Islam (meaning practice of ethics)”

http://www.arabicnews.com/ansub/Daily/Day/000711/2000071147.html

Muhammad Abdou's call for reform was based on three main precepts:

-1- Religious reform aiming at liberating thought from the shackles of conventionalism.

-2- Language reform, in terms of styles and usages, aiming at evolving a modern, powerful medium of expression and an element for unifying and integrating the nation.

-3- Political reform, where he believed that a democratic line should be struck between the state's right to obedience by the people and the letter's right to justice by the state. This principle is the basis of social life and Islam was a democratic religion, he believed.

There is lots of truth to what you said but I made a conscious choice to focus on positive reformists rather than wasting energy and mind space thinking of the idiots like the one you mentioned above.

Agree with Logic, Islam is like any other religion and the problem is with few of its dogmatic followers.

I enjoy debating with you too,

Peace,
Posted by Fellow_Human, Saturday, 14 July 2007 7:40:43 PM
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Good try ‘logic’. “….to intimidate non-Christians and destroy their places of worship especially after Saturday prayers.” Christians meet on Sunday, not Saturday. Perhaps you could start assuming the name ‘logicus ignoramus’ :-)

Wherever the Muslims are found….

They kill Buddhists in South Thailand.
They kill Hindus and Christians in India
They kill Christians in Philippines, Indonesia.
They kill Bahais and other non-Muslims in Iran.
http://question.bahai.org/004.php
They kill fellow Muslims in Iraq, Iran, Pakistan, Palestine.

Islam is a failed political system as well as a ‘religion’. No surprises why droves of Muslims from north Africa, Pakistan and Bangladesh are trying to get into Europe by hook or by crook. Thousands try to get into Australia and New Zealand. Why ‘logic’, if Islam is such a great religion, why aren’t Muslims emigrating to Saudi Arabia, Egypt or one of the Muslim-Arab states?

The real reason is that Islam is a big failure and the Allah can’t deliver what he has promised the Muslims.

99% of Muslims did not choose to be one, they are born a Muslim. Having gone through Western, secular education where rational thinking is emphasized, Muslims in western countries can easily see that Islam is irrelevant in this modern age and Islamic countries are living examples of failed states. Religion is made for humankind, and not humankind for religion. As such, Muslims have to make the rational choice. Leave Islam and become ex-Muslims.

These are two articles written by ex-Muslims. Hope you find them useful.

http://www.islam-watch.org/Others/Why-Muslims-doomed-to-fail.htm
http://www.islam-watch.org/ImranHossain/when_almighty_allah_does_not_know.htm

Asalamalakum.
Posted by Philip Tang, Sunday, 15 July 2007 12:22:06 AM
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Islam is a failed political system as well as a ‘religion’ - Philip Tang
Somehow it reminds me of the ruling Communist Regime in China today. Refer www.ninecommentaries.com. This publication has spurred over 23 million Chinese to renounce anything to do with the Chinese Communist Party and its affliliated organisations. Like the "Berlin Wall", the "Red Curtain" is coming down and hopefully it will be before the Olympics, for no tyrannic Regime deserves to be the host of these great Games.
Posted by Hong, Sunday, 15 July 2007 1:54:42 AM
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Philip Tang,

Whats with the 'lalala, am not listening, am not listening'.

The conflicts you are referring to are political and geographical of nature. Read the history of the british and French colonialism and 'border conflicts' policies for the last 400 years. Almost every war can be traced back to it.

Around 20% of arabs population are Christians since Jesus days till today. The churches and temples in all arab (muslim)countries are still there. If the propaganda material of your is credible, there would have been all converted or killed like the Spanish inquisition.

You seen to have brainwashed yourself,

Peace,
Posted by Fellow_Human, Sunday, 15 July 2007 9:19:22 AM
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Philip Tang

Excuse the lapse but Christians did originally meet on Saturdays and the Seventh Day Adventists still do.

You classify Islam as a failed religion, it was a success in the middle ages when it saved Europe from a Church imposed ignorance. Without the Muslims and the Jews the richness of the Roman and Greek world and their medical discoveries would have been lost. And the Muslims produced the zero and algebra. Hardly a failure. It was Christianity which produced the Dark Ages.

Which was the failure?
Posted by logic, Sunday, 15 July 2007 1:18:42 PM
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