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Slavery of climate change : Comments

By Saleemul Huq, published 13/7/2007

Everyone must face up to the facts that some impacts of climate change are already inevitable.

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I hope it's not too late for the planet. http://www.thepetitionsite.com/takeaction/714194807
Posted by Elena R., Saturday, 14 July 2007 2:12:24 AM
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The rottenness in man's heart is the thing that needs changing in order to save lives. Climate change is just a smoke screen to cover up man's greed, selfishness and immorality. Have your hearts cleansed by the only clean One and you might not be so concerned about myths.
Posted by runner, Saturday, 14 July 2007 8:49:56 AM
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Posted by runner, Saturday, 14 July 2007 8:49:56 AM

Ha ha ha, very funny. Global warming, smoke screen. I get it. Very funny.

George Bush will be gone soon enough. Lets just hope he doesn't do any more damage before he goes and the voters in the US will be a bit more discerning than the last two elections.
Posted by T.Sett, Saturday, 14 July 2007 9:21:45 AM
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Saleemul Huq, this was a thoughtful and accurate piece which doesn't seem to have had the attention it deserves.

Addressing climate change is the most urgent thing that needs to be done to address poverty over the next century or two. The world's water resources will become unpredictable and probably also scarcer as the atmosphere warms up. Only those with access to liquid funds and global markets will be able to feed themselves; people and entire regions whose income depends on agriculture will be playing Russian Roulette every growing season.

Suicides and family-murder-suicides of peasant farmers are increasingly common in recent years, due to precisely this uncertainty. Starvation deaths are still the exception rather than the norm, but who knows how deeply agricultural yields will fall in the coming decades?

When China and India cannot feed themselves and the country lanes are piled high with distended corpses, people flee across borders instead of to the nearest city, labourers cannot pay the spiralling costs of their food staples, and factories close, then at last (perhaps) the wealthy countries will begin to feel the heat as the prices of cheap imports soar, commodity export markets evaporate, and their own agriculture finally begins to collapse.
Posted by xoddam, Saturday, 14 July 2007 3:37:14 PM
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This bloke works for the UN, so by definition he's an incompetent twit. Remember that Aussie twit Baker, Barker, what ever it was, they had as chief weapons inspector in Iraq. He couldn't even make it as governer of Tasmania. I did not think it possible for anyone to fail at that. To get a job with the UN, you have to be cerified a Bl@@dy Idiot.

Must say he has a cheek. To claim the very thing they hope to use to enslave us, is the thing thats doing it, is pretty daring.

I suppose they depend on sone people wanting to be enslaved & a lot too dum to know which way is up. They must be right, or do all the dum ones congregate here?
Posted by Hasbeen, Saturday, 14 July 2007 11:00:54 PM
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I too think this is a very good article - unfortunate timing with the posting since others seem more focussed on the “Swindle”.

It seems ironic that “Hasbeen” makes those comments (BTW, it is spelt dumb) - maybe the name fits after all.
Posted by davsab, Sunday, 15 July 2007 7:53:25 AM
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The telling words “They are working to agree a global regime for tackling climate change”

A global regime, dictionary definition of regime “a mode or system of rule or government.”

It is convenient the way professional bureaucrats manage to weasel their way into positions of tenure and from there command the rest of us in how we will be allowed to live.
Stalin did it effectively in Russia and whilst Stalin’s descendents failed back in 1990’s the entryists continued to burrow through the soft belly of the unaccountable organs of the UN to impose their “socialism by stealth” with carbon emissions legislation.

If anyone thinks that this piffling article deserves type space they are mistaken.
That the UN exists is not a good reason to continue to give it house room. The effective nations of the world are the developed ones. The ineffective nations are that way (ineffective/incompetent) through their denial of democratic processes and the real wealth and orderly systems which come as the rewards for effort and capitalism.

We have seen time and again how Africa and most of Asia and South America cannot handle their own affairs and are repeatedly sticking their hands out for “alms”. The developed nations, from some sense of compassion continue to dump development aid and support into cesspools of corruption.

The UN has failed to intervene when needed and left it to the US and its allies to shoulder the burden and when they don’t those African and Asian neighbour’s who could do something fail to bother (Mugabe and twenty dictators before him) that.

Forget the UN, it is a talkfest designed to placate the ambitious elites of the underdeveloped world and it is funded by the developed world.

It is time to pull its funding and get some “Accountability” back into it before it tries the run roughshod over our own elected national government again.
Posted by Col Rouge, Sunday, 15 July 2007 1:01:16 PM
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We won't see the end of the "Global Warming" or "Climate Change" industries while they provide a useful form of income for thousands of public service parasites that infest the corridors of governments, QANGOs and sundry supranational bodies.

Whether or not the statistics are ever "proven" - or even if they switch 180 degrees and we find ourselves talking of the next ice-age - we have saddled ourselves with yet another pernicious drain on our economies.

The only sure bets are:

a) whatever amount of money we set aside to "combat" this "threat", it will never be enough

b) whatever the effectiveness or otherwise of any given "programme", it will be deemed insufficient, and require the investment of even more money, the expenditure of which is overseen by even more public servants

c) industry will continue to flourish with the investment demanded by the "programmes"

d) the finance community will be revitalized with the addition of carbon trading and its derivatives, significantly adding to the world's store of billionaires who make their bucks by simply taking a slice off every transaction

In the meantime, we will not be provided with accurate information on any of the above.

That's life. Enjoy.
Posted by Pericles, Sunday, 15 July 2007 3:01:17 PM
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Page one of two
I am 63 yrs old and I can say by experience that climate has not changed much in my lifetime ; Contrasts in weather occur naturally .
However many other influences have changed . One is UV , a car painted today with paint from 1957 would go chalky in less than 2 years . Today's paints last because they have UV resistance . I was a Pro Fisherman for years , Trawler/Trap , we used to lift our traps to storage with poly rope and bridle attached the bulk of the rope inside the trap ; If this was done today the rope would be unserviceable in two seasons UV rots it to powder . When I was a kid on the Murray River the gum Trees were healthy , not today , they grow tall , spindly most of the heartwood is eaten out by ants and are unsafe to park near UV I expect ?
20 yrs ago UV penetration was identified caused by Ozone depletion steps were made to reduce the CFC's getting into the atmosphere , steps were put under way to ban and phase out CFC refrigerants.........yet today you can still purchase a new Home Airconditioner and Commercial A/C using CFC based gas R22 .
Now we are challenged to reduce CO2 . How come we still have 5 litre V8's ? 2.4 litre engines typically run out 110 Kw adequate for a family car ; A 2.4 litre 1992 Toyota Tarago will exceed the speed limit Bendigo >> Melb , 7 seats filled all the way by 30% .........whats with the 5 litre plus V8's ? Obviously we are not serious about CO2 .
Posted by PortoSalvo, Monday, 16 July 2007 12:09:43 PM
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Page two of two .
Then there is the hundeds of tons of firewood we see carted to Melb .............what are we doing ?
Clean Coal anyone , want to breathe some CO2 ? Yallourn is for you , here you can choke on Polution , watch it skid across your windscreen watch the yellow/brown crud dance around your wipers revealing eddies in the airflow , poke out you tongue taste the acrid flavour revel in the sulpherous pong ............what a joke !
How can we be serious when we have one of our leaders talking up "Clean Coal Tech" when there is no such thing ?
It appears to be that we are happy to choke to death providing we pretend to be doing something about it , fits neatly under the adagium ...."Bulldust Baffles Brains" .
Then there is Pyrethium , been around for about 20 years or so , a "Natural" insecticide , gee is'nt that wonderfull ........its NATURAL so we can squirt it on everything if a bit gets in our soup who cares it's natural .......hang on arsenic and phospherous are Natural substences too ? The introduction of Pyrethium based insecticides laid waste to entire ecosystems in the coastal salt and freshwater marshes and lakes , these areas pulsated with life , bacteria to 2.5 kg mudcrabs all dead and done for , Batemans Bay on the NSW south coast once had 21 Prawn Trawlers .......how many now ? None . All down to Pyrethium . Who cares , no one does , Pyrethium can be bought in Buckets , the weed beds are gone too maybe weed and reed etc depended on marine life for sustenance , Prawn Poo maybe , did you know that the worlds biggest carbon sink is marine vegetation .
Don't panic we will be able to survive on noodles by flogging gum trees to Asian Multinationals .......carbon exchange you see , bulldust in my view .
Posted by PortoSalvo, Monday, 16 July 2007 12:13:52 PM
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Saleemul Huq is the Head of Climate Change at the International Institute for Environment and Development (IIED) and co-ordinating lead author of the IPCC Working Group II report.

The evidence of this mans support is before us.
Posted by yendis, Monday, 16 July 2007 2:28:20 PM
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yendis "Saleemul Huq is the Head of Climate Change at the International Institute for Environment and Development (IIED) and co-ordinating lead author of the IPCC Working Group II report.

The evidence of this mans support is before us. "

I am not surte if this is critisism or acclaim.

for myself, I would ask the following

Carbon trading - will it cost me or make me money -

Answer - it will cost me.

Of Saleemul Huq I would ask the following

Carbon trading - will it cost him or make him money -

Well, I would expect that the process will materially benefit his employment prospects and public profile, which will underpin a likelyhood of enhanced wealth.

So we do have "The evidence of this mans support is before us."

but that does not mean his view is expressed without a "personal" or "vested" interest. Like most other proponents of climate change regulation, there is a vested interest in the vast amounts of monies to be derived from carbon emmissions trading and are thus simply ensuring their nest-egg is maturing successfully.

Any third grade bureaucrat from a third world country, feeding off the largesse of the dveloped nations thorugh their funding of UN will have support which has bought him lock, stock and smoking barrel.

The UN and Oil for Food was corrupted by the unscrupulous with a parent who held position in the highest echelons of the UN.
the truth is "like appoints like".
The UN organisation is populated by sychophants and the morally corrupt.
Better it be abandoned and a new organisation, which has real accountability and rrsponsibility be established, than another dollar be wasted on the UN's descent into the effluent of its own corruption. (Oh and any past UN "Employee" or "consultant" be disbarred from applying for any position with a new (but slimmer and more focused) beast.
Posted by Col Rouge, Tuesday, 17 July 2007 10:47:01 AM
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