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Adieu Blair, adieu : Comments

By Tariq Ali, published 29/6/2007

Tony Blair’s total identification with the White House has destroyed his influence in Washington, Europe and the Middle East.

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Unless the Howard government gets in again and deliberately prunes the social science section of our Humanities, it is believed as I as a qualified social scientist would write - that without the backing of Tony Blair and John Howard, George W Bush might never have given the illegal order to attack Irak?

One wonders why the both of them continually be so sure of their ability to influence International Relations?

Maybe it is a good idea for us to discuss which side they are now backing in the Middle East, especially bordering Israel?
Posted by bushbred, Friday, 29 June 2007 1:41:01 PM
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Hi bushbred,

I suspect they [Blair and Howard] didn't want to stop Bush in the end. The only 'legitimate' excuse Blair had was WMD, as regime change is illegal. This is why Blair had to sex up the dodgy dossier. The only genuine facts available were that the weapons inspectors couldn't find any WMD. If they had been allowed to finish their job, there was every chance the weapons inspectors could have declared Iraq WMD free - removing their only casus belli. This is obviously why they decided to 'get in' there quickly.

Most people in Britain despise Blair because of it and a very large number of us over here, me included, believe sincerely that he is a war criminal.

I hate to say it, but in the end, Saddam was proved innocent (in relation to the reasons for going to war - no wonder they had to make sure he was executed). Unfortunately 655,000 lives tell us we can't say the same for the leaders of the coalition of the killing.
Posted by K£vin, Saturday, 30 June 2007 2:03:43 AM
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I would suggest that the British public would like to see Blair reassigned to the Foreign Office. Or the Fieed Office. Or the Final Opening. FO.

Howard is irrelevant and always has been. A small dog humping Bush's leg is about it.
Posted by pegasus, Saturday, 30 June 2007 10:27:36 AM
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Tariq Ali

This is the longest of the longest adieu coming from you. Whose ideological train of Trotskyism has been derailed so long long ago, and its mangled pieces are heaped in the museum of history. And for you the ultimate adieu!

See:http://power-politics1.blogspot.com
Posted by Themistocles, Saturday, 30 June 2007 7:28:30 PM
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Themistocles. As a social thinker, what objective contribution can you make, other than try to demean a person who has always been for social justice, for all.

Do you accept the brutality in Iraq, created by western nations?

Do you have any understanding, of how Iraq came to be as a country?

Do you have any understanding of social justice and rights for each and every person?

Do you live by the criteria of, Me! Me! Me!?
Posted by Kipp, Saturday, 30 June 2007 8:07:38 PM
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The problem with these sort of articles is that the writer often is only against what the 'Anglo's' are doing because they are Anglo and he is not.

I believe RACISM is the biggest issue today, bigger than Islamic terrorism - it is the REASON for terrorism.

Bin Laden became a terrorist because of Israel's occupation of Lebanon yet Syria occupied Lebanon for 26yrs, until US pressure forced them out!

Didn't hear Lebanese Muslims thank the US for their foreign policy then! Or with Kosovo.

Muslims say they are against oppression of Muslims? Why not non-Muslims?

Why don't they ever say anything about Sudan, where Muslim gangs are pack-raping and killing black women, along with their children and

husbands. 200000 dead.

Muslims rant about Palestine, but none care. I've never seen a protest out the front of the Jordanian, Lebanese, or Syrian embassies, nations that keep Palestinian refugees in squalid camps (entirely funded by the west of course). These 'brothers' aren't allowed out to work, buy land, in society, live as inferiors.

Where are the Woomera protestors? Imagine if we didn't let refugees mix in with society? The Palestinians have been in those camps for over 50yrs!

They only care about non-Muslims lording it over Muslims - for image reasons. It's all about racism.

The West Bank was part of Jordan until 67, yet never saw Palestinian kill himself and Jordanians because of the occupation.

Same with Gaza, which was part of Egypt until 67 yet never suffered attacks by Palestinians angry about the occupation.

They didn't even see it as an occupation, as they were Arab too. It only became an occupation when non-Muslims took the land. This is racism.

In Indonesia, the reason they bombed Bali was because we took land from them to give Timorese. This is a sin under Islam.

Back to the article, it's racism.

Mostly shows itself as a 'pure-impure' thing mostly, the Lebanese youth in Australia who have Anglo girlfriends (they like them to be about 13 or 14) but when they get married it has to be to a virgin Muslim girl.
Posted by Benjamin, Sunday, 1 July 2007 11:40:57 AM
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This is why those pigs - who are now being treated for their burns (think about the irony! We aren't the enemy!) after ramming expensive cars into Glasgow airport and London clubs, chose those targets.

Nightclubs, where women show flesh.

Many women who leave Islam admit they are forced to wear hijab, and angry at beautiful western women because they don't. They say it's about foreign policy but it never is.

Anyone who wants the troops out of Afghanistan is a scum who sees women as chattel. Iraq was dumb only because Arabs are so racist, tribal and bloodthirsty it could never work.

We haven't lost, you have.

Everywhere the west's armies go ends up better. Look at Germany, Japan, and South Korea. The difference between South and North Korea is obvious.

The world hates white people because white people have the best countries, and have the BEST values.

Just look at the refugee flows.

They give us a mandate to force our superior values on savage cultures.

They see magazine covers with beautiful western women, and men, not Pakistani women! They can't handle these things.

That is why Bollywood movie posters have the whitest Indians you can find!

But why hate US because of that?

The reason many see whites as more aesthetically pleasing I think is because we, being the least racist people on earth (as proved by our genetic makeup) mixed with everyone.

Cultures that marry cousins and those only from their tribe - because they are XENOPHOBES, lose out.

This is why people hate the Iraq war.

The thought of whites in power in their 'real' countries makes them angry. They love our ways yet want to hold onto their twisted scummy values.

When Saddam was captured, Arab leaders and people were furious.

Why? Look at what he did?

They don't care. The worst Arab is better than the best white.

It's all racism.
Posted by Benjamin, Sunday, 1 July 2007 11:45:48 AM
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Cut it out, Benjamin, your excuse is the old worn-out one where we whites believe that our science and technology is so superior.

And certainly the non-whites should relish it, because it is so superior.

But it is no reason that we on the other hand should have relished taking their lands, and now stealing their oil as is happening in Iraq and what Dick Cheney so relishes about taking Iran?

Please get real, mate, and remind yourself that true justice is all about balance and fair play.
Posted by bushbred, Sunday, 1 July 2007 2:12:23 PM
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Kipp

Anyone can be a tribune and a hero in terms of ABSTRACT justice and Tariq Ali, certainly is a hero in these terms. But what were the CONCRETE results of his abstract justice as an indefatigable and fervent supporter of the Bolshevic revolution and one of its leaders, the great and tragic figure of Leon Trotsky, who late in his life disillusioned was considering his suicide, just before Stalin's assassin plunged his ice pick into his skull? The slaughtering of thirty to fifty million of human beings, not to mention other killing fields of the Communist ideology, all in the name of this abstract justice of the revolutionaries.

It's not imprudent to bear in mind, that the way to hell is paved with good (and I would add)and historically misplaced, intentions. Tariq Ali has still to come out and say his long awaited adieu to this carnage that issued from this totalitarian ideology in which he continues to believe in as an unredeemed Trotskyist.
Posted by Themistocles, Sunday, 1 July 2007 3:04:05 PM
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Themistocles. Tariq Ali has always been a person of the present. Listen to him, he makes comment on the negative policies of the here and now. That affects people today, he may be an intellectual and academic, but an extremist! Because he makes critisism too todays social unjustice, no way.

Me thinks you are living in the past mate, and avoiding to come to terms with the here and now!
Posted by Kipp, Sunday, 1 July 2007 7:39:29 PM
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