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Pornography has its benefits : Comments

By James McConvill, published 29/9/2006

An increased availability of pornography has led to a more peaceful community, so let’s embrace it rather than censor it.

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Robert

I'm asking debaters to state the facts/data/scientific studies on which they base their conclusions. They haven't replied, which I take as a "no data" for their conclusions.

If there is data, why not state the studies read, the interviews done?
How can conclusions be drawn if not on the facts? What is the scope of facts relied on? Which continent? Which time period?

Why speak in terms of universals i.e. as if one speaks for all time, under all conditions, if this is not so?

And it is irrelevant what my biases or anyone's biases are. I'm referring to the facts out there in the real world.
Posted by Hawaiilawyer, Monday, 23 October 2006 10:11:41 PM
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This is an area which is difficult to discuss as it relates to perceptions of 'obscene' etc..

I suggest that there are ways of determining the acceptability of something based on sound principles of living, which in turn are based on the basic "Do for others". As you would predict also (knowing me) the will and ability to effectively 'do for others' is only possible by being rightly related to God through Christ.

On the general community standards, I think that if we lower the 'bar' of normality in the public arena, then private arena will then seek more sensational ways to be obscene...and have impact.

TODAYS PAPER.
HORRIFIC film showing at least 10 thugs setting a semi-naked girl's hair on fire is being sold for $5 at schools.

Members of the Werribee gang are shown urinating on the girl, who is believed to be mentally impaired, setting bombs off in streets, dropping flares on a homeless man and throwing eggs at taxi drivers.
Police are investigating footage that shows the teenage girl performing lurid acts on the boys before they throw her clothes in the mud.
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,20634024-661,00.html

happy wallowing.
Posted by BOAZ_David, Tuesday, 24 October 2006 7:57:52 AM
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Well in today's SMH there is an article claiming that over 80%
of rapes in the UK are associated with alcohol.

http://www.smh.com.au/news/world/link-between-rape-and-alcohol-may-change-uk-laws/2006/10/23/1161455665504.html

David I know that religion works for you, but you happen to live
in one of the most secular societies on the planet. People in
general, don't believe the "Jesus loves you" story anymore,
so we have to look at options.

One of the problems we have is that the churches don't want to let
go of their so called claim on morality. So little else is taught
in schools, sadly. If time in school was spent teaching kids some
basic concepts of philosophy, ethics, morality, emotional intelligence, conflict resolution, behaviour towards others, their
rights etc, we could well make progress! We can achieve
an understanding of values, without scaring kids about burning
forever, which most of them simply don't believe anymore.

There is a book published called "Waging peace in our schools",
where a similar concept was tried in a few schools, with pretty
good results.
Posted by Yabby, Tuesday, 24 October 2006 8:19:13 AM
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"Have you listened to federal parliament lately? Pea brain was an apt description for someone who wants to "take their bat and ball and go home"."

Steve,

He only threatened to withdraw after you made comments like that. Look back at the posts.

I hope you don't consider Federal parliament suitable role modeling. Parliamentary privilege seems to be virtually abused in there.
Posted by mjpb, Tuesday, 24 October 2006 8:45:12 AM
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Madden, Yabby et al: Why get sucked into porn apologetics, theist bashing and Yank baiting? HawaiiLawyer's contribution have been mostly well intended, well informed and have addressed the point.

(Actually, in your case Madden, it is obvious why: you're just one hell of an angry little man).

HawaiiLawyer does plainly dislike the callous use and discarding of men and women in pornography to provide an endless "congaline of suckholes" (to appropriate Latham's colourful phrase) for the self-serving pleasure of others (the real statistics do show overwhelmingly men). He doesn't deny that. But he has also referred to numerous studies regarding the matter which his opponents have studiously ignored and not debated, in favour of 'playing the man, not the ball'.

As HawaiiLawyer amply argued, many people who enter that business have few if any other marketable skills and significant unhappiness in their past and present lives. They are then used by very commercially astute pornographers to turn bucks from the (as you point out) sizeable proportion of men who like watching these male and female prostitutes screwing and being screwed in what ever way the producers who call the tune have decided, based on market tastes and trends, that they should go about it.

Aint nothing wrong with masturbation fellas, but please don't confuse your distaste for the anti-porn crusaders with a justification of that industry on its own merits. It is a profoundly cynical industry which uses the most vulnerable people in the community, to provide a product with questionable social consequences for its personnel and consumers, for the great self-enrichment of its producers.

That is callousness and selfishness - all perfectly legal in a market economy - but the point of that tool McConvill's article was (apart from publicity for himself) to argue that hardcore porn is a boon to society. It aint: it's something we tolerate purely because cracking down on it could have negative consequences for real free speech (i.e. of the political kind) that we are sensibly more scared of. Period.
Posted by amitarian, Thursday, 26 October 2006 9:42:06 AM
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It's true, pornography is useful. The article calls for people,& legislators, to have a forum in which the facts are presented in a balanced way to find outcomes that are a benefit to the whole community. But unfortunately we don't live in a true democracy so people with a little power can hold sway over the masses with very little chance of "the people" over turning the decisions (in a peaceful way) that are unpalatable or obviously wrong. While we have politicians & government members waving the religious flags the facts and common sense will not get a look in. The saying "If you don't want to see it, then don't click on it" should apply.
Posted by hyballs, Friday, 27 October 2006 11:47:08 AM
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