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The 'Israeli take' : Comments

By Colin Andersen, published 28/7/2006

To get a more nuanced understanding of events in the Middle East, one has to turn to the Internet.

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"You can find anything to suit your needs on the internet: it is used by all sorts of people, and not all are of sufficient standing to be published anywhere else."

Altogether now, "The first casualty of war is ....."

Unlike the MSM of course, which confines itself to non-partisan, verfiable reporting. It seems many have missed the point entirely - where facts can be manufactured and contexts can be massaged, you need more than one narrative
Posted by bennie, Friday, 28 July 2006 3:27:18 PM
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I doubt any of these warmongers have personal experience of war, in their cowardice they sit as far away as possible. Screaming, death to the enemy, whoever they deem it should be on the day.

When you consider the mass of nuclear weapons in the region and how venomous the factions are towards each other, haven't you asked, why they haven't been used. It may solve the problems quickly.

Think about this all you despots who ignorantly try to make out you know of military strategies. No one knows what happens after a nuclear strike on an oil field or two. They know the effects after conventional strikes, as we saw after the 90's Iraq war. A nuclear strike could set of a mass chain reaction fire of immense proportions creating a thick cloud slowly covering the earth and dulling the sun.

All sides know this possibility, only fools create volatile situations when sitting on top of a potential powder keg of immense proportions. But the fools are determined to push on until someone breaks and it happens. Mind you it won't be one bomb, it will be many.

Israel is stupid enough to start it with one, then have to retaliate with many, Result, no Middle East and no oil, just burning deserts and black dank sky coating everything in oily soot.

Keep up your support fools, you'll get there, you'll create your Armageddon, just to be right. But you won't get the outcome you want, your history shows the followers of god always fail, except for the damage they cause and leave behind.

Israel is in the middle of a fully primed furnace, they all have the match and are itching to use it. It may be your gods just retribution for you all.

Don't worry or jump on your soap boxes, what's written above, is just a fantasy, isn't it??
Posted by The alchemist, Friday, 28 July 2006 4:21:19 PM
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Those pesky weapons manufactures do not want peace, nor does it really matter to them who gets killed.

http://www.ucsusa.org/global_security/nuclear_weapons/nuclear-bunker-buster-rnep-animation.html

http://corpwatch.org/article.php?id=13944

In short,
ISRAEL: Israel to get U.S. "bunker buster" bombs - report

Israel has been spoiling for a fight, and the good mates of John Howard provide the weapons.
Posted by ELIDA, Friday, 28 July 2006 4:30:32 PM
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The Lebanese Prime Minister, Fouad Siniora, pleading for a ceasefire, asked: “Is the value of human rights in Lebanon less than elsewhere? Are we the children of a lesser God?”

In 1950, Gustave Gilbert, the US prison psychologist at the Nuremberg Trials wrote:

“One may react to injury or persecution of one’s own identification group with the same pain or hostility as if the injury had been inflicted on him and yet feel no concern for the same injuries inflicted on members of other groups. Thus sentiment could be aroused among Germans over the “persecution” of their Volksgenossen in Czechoslovakia and Austria, with impassioned humanitarian appeals, while many calmly witnessed the beating up of German Jews on the streets of their own cities. In a like manner, “white, American-born Protestants” can patriotically defend the humane “American way” in defiance of dictatorship, while feeling no concern over the mistreatment of racial minorities at their own back door.”

Israel and the US are able to accept the heavy civilian casualties in Lebanon because the Lebanese are not part of the Judae-Christian “identification group” – the Lebanese are indeed “children of a lesser God”!

Gilbert continued: “Many Germans and many Americans, when confronted with these inconsistencies in their professed behavior as decent citizens, recognise the inconsistency intellectually, but still find it difficult to modify their behavior. Insight is not sufficient to overcome the deeply rooted social conditioning of feelings.”
“As a general principle …. the normal social process of group identification and hostility-reaction brings about a selective constriction of empathy, which, in addition to the semi-conscious suppression of insight, enables normal people to condone or participate in the most sadistic social aggression without feeling of realising it.”

**“The Psychology of Dictatorship: based on an examination of the leaders of Nazi Germany”, by Dr Gustave M Gilbert.
Posted by Jeff Schubert, Friday, 28 July 2006 6:13:34 PM
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There are two moral questions that lead me to decide that in this struggle Israel is in the right, and Hezbollah is in the wrong.

1. Hezbollah, with its suicide attacks and indiscriminate launching of rockets into Israel, deliberatley targets innocent Israeli civilians, whereas Israel only targets muslim civilians guilty of terrorist activities. Inevitably attacks such as these result in collateral damage, but here is no evidence that this is intended by the Israelis.

2. After the end of World War 2, these were two groups of dispossed people in the world, the palestinians, and the ethnic germans who were expelled from eastern europe. The West Germans looked after the german refugees absorbing them into west germany, helping them to migrate to countries like australia, to the point that the camps could be closed in the early fifties. The arabs, on the other hand, despite coming into amounts of oil money previously undreamed of, deliberatley left the palestinins to rot in refugee camps, because they were not prepared to accept the existence of Israel and wanted create a generation opposed to them.

Anti-israelis continue to claim that the palestinians were robbed of their land. Were the palestinians the original occupiers? Or did they steal it from previous jewish landholders?
Posted by plerdsus, Friday, 28 July 2006 6:21:49 PM
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Plerdsus, there is also the comparison of dispossessed jews from the holocaust and muslim arabs who had lost land after the fall of the Ottoman Empire. Muslims hate the jews and want to blow them up yet the jews dont wish to blow up Germany or muslims, they only act in self defence.

We are constantly told by those that should know better that answering violence with violence is not the right way. They have yet to show anyone what the right way is. Holocaust victims tried the non violent approach and it did not work. Israel has found that meeting force with an equal or better force is a better way.
Posted by rog, Friday, 28 July 2006 8:18:08 PM
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