Belly - on what grounds do you reject it? Clearly almost all research that is credible says that tax credits are a far better method of income uplift for the low paid for the health of the economy than big uplifts in the minimum wage. Also how are unions relevant if the minimum wage means that no-one wants to bargain in an enterprise bargain because the award is already high enough. Unions only have a reason to exist if they have a reason to deliver.

QUOTE: Now I am well aware of the nonsence that a high low minimum rate of pay is bad for job creation ,and reject it!

RESPONSE: Why not make the minimum wage $100 per hour so we can all get rich? The reason is obviously that such a high rate would create massive unemployment. To suggest that there is no trade off is naive. A more mature position would be to accept that there is a trade off and that at some level you are willing to tolerate the trade off.

Col Rouge , I fail to see how attacking AKA for his point of veiw and having his own opinion is constructive or if indeed it makes you any more credible.

I would say that what we have here is a class distinction, based on the stratification principles that this whole country is founded.You are an accountant you say and AKA an ordinary working man quite removed from your circle.

You need to do a little study of Society and Culture buddy and see just how and why stratification came into existence and your place in it.

You are condescending and and insufferably stupid to attack your fellow man this way simply because you believe you are superior.

You somehow believe you are in charge of your destiny, but you are not.Society exists for the wealthy to support the wealthy ie:the goverment and the high end of town,the Packers and others of that ilk.
Stratification, will see to it that you never rise above your station, you are just an accountant, a public servant,one of millions of worker ants filling up Govt. coffers so they can rape and pillage our country and all the while they smile and patronise us further with more lies and arrogance.They only care about their gravy train, and people like AKA are the working class,the Prolettariat in other words, on which the whole nation runs.

I study Society and Culture at uni.You need to as well then you would realise the damage and exactly what the hell is going on in this pathetic Liberal Govt..AWAs are cruel oppressive and John Howard is little better than Hitler himself, the only difference is Hitler actually declared his hand.

AKA is not your enemy, far from it..you have much more in common than you think.