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The assault of AIDS - there are no parallels in history : Comments

By Harry Throssell, published 30/6/2006

The AIDS crisis: chronic poverty, hunger and orphans - the UN has failed lamentably.

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While I am not a biologist, crossing aids and birdflu is probably like crossing and elephant with a giraffe, it is just not going to happen outside a lab.

There are some common sense rules of thumb about virus spread though.

1) Viruses that kill their hosts faster than they can spread will not do well.

2) Viruses that cause their host to show obvious signs of infection will not do well.

eg Ebola virus is deadly but kills their host faster than it spreads so is relatively easily contained. Common cold is very contagious but doesn't kill the host at all and most of us get infected each year.

Viruses with a stealth period like SARS are much harder to contain but it is possible through behavioural change like temporarily closing schools, getting people to stop rubbing their nose and eyes and having an army of cleaners wiping common surfaces like doorknobs, lift buttons and benchtops.

Even aids in the US has been affected by behavioural change. By reducing hyper promiscuous behaviour the most deadly strains of the virus have died with their hosts and so overall the virus has evolved to be less deadly.

The politics of aids are a mystery though. These are real people dying (or being orphaned) in Africa. It beggars believe that we cannot provide generic (ie cheap) drugs to these people so that even if they cannot be cured they can lead a productive life for years longer and look after their children ie with treatment HIV positive people can, and do, contribute to society and the economy for many years.
Posted by gusi, Monday, 3 July 2006 4:40:25 PM
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Redneck your name is obviously fairly apt. Although it is probably blantantly obvious to everyone else reading here, you are a ignorant poltroon with the insight of a one eyed goat. Blaming 3rd world african people for not using condoms is like blaming homeless people who get sick in winter for not rugging up with an extra blanket. They simply don't have them! - and both due the ineptitude of society to look after its most needy.

The United Nations has failed dismissally, true. The US stance (which obviously has a heavy impact on what the UN is able to accomplish) has exacebated the problem, and has added the responsibility for millions more deaths to George Bush's rapidly growing list.

You would like to believe that when it came to human life, logic (the promotion of contraception) would prevail over religious fanatacism ('abstinence'). Unfortunately however, the AIDS situation in Africa is just another example of how religion has once again let humanity down.
Posted by jkenno, Monday, 3 July 2006 6:08:38 PM
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To Mr jkenno.

Naughty, naughty, jkenno. You are prejudging me, and stereotyping rednecks. Prejudging and stereotyping is PC verboten. I can do it, but you can’t,
because it contradicts your humanitarian principles.

You are also using personal abuse on this forum which is also absolutely verboten. But don’t worry, I won’t go crying to GrahamY like your mob does whenever I say something that your mob say should not be said.

AIDS is a very interesting disease because we actually know the identity of “patient zero.” The first case of AIDS is now known to have been carried by a French Canadian airline steward. This man’s picture is now on billboards and posters all over Africa, with the slogan “This is the white man who brought AIDS to Africa.”

You see, the Africans do not believe that AIDS originated in Africa. They actually think that AIDS is some sort of weapon developed by the white race to exterminate the blacks. Dumb, huh? Furthermore, one reason why they refuse to use condoms is because they think that white endorsement of condoms is a plot to stop the black races from breeding.(?)

Not that condoms would do much anyway. Because black people use “injectionists” to fight AIDS. An “injectionist” is a snake oil salesman with a syringe and some sort of concoction that he claims will cure any disease known to man. Black people are so awe inspired by white medicine and syringes that they willingly allow themselves to be injected with dirty needles from these charlatans.

Here in Australia, our sainted doctor, Fred Hollows, once warned aboriginal leaders that if “certain practices” did not cease immediately, “there will soon be no aborigines.” What Fred meant, was that if aboriginal tribal leaders did not stop sexually molesting the little girls and bonking the young boys up the backside in tribal “initiation” ceremonies, they were all going to die of AIDS. Recent newspaper reports indicate that the aboriginal leaders have not taken Fred’s warning seriously.

"UN failures?" Balony. AIDS is spreading because black people in general are not very bright.
Posted by redneck, Monday, 3 July 2006 8:12:52 PM
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When aids was first promoted to the world during the Reagan/Thatcher era - did you not ask yourself.. has there ever been another virus which specifically targeted specific groups of people? Is this really conceivable behaviour for a virus? Extreme right wingers know what they are up to!
Posted by K£vin, Monday, 3 July 2006 9:06:49 PM
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The patient zero AIDS theory is outdated and disproven.

HIV is much older than that. The most accepted theory of the origins of HIV is that it unintentionally crossed the species during the Polio vaccination experiments injecting chimpanzee blood into humans in the 1950s. Edward Hooper wrote a book about it called: "The River", and it maps how vaccination programs unintentionally spread the virus around Africa as early as the 1950s.

http://www.lrb.co.uk/v25/n07/hoop01_.html

There is another popular theory known as the Eugene Fischer theory. When Hitler was is jail before he wrote "Mein Kampf" in the 1920s, he read Fischer's "Principles of Human Heredity and Racial Hygiene". This book describes what he did in German Africa in the 1920-30. He experimented on injecting Chimpanzee blood with SIV 1 and sooty matabeys blood with SIV 2 into African "subhumans": as germ warfare.

http://www.bigeye.com/sexeducation/nazivirusprojects.html

Once in power in the holocaust, Fischer furthered these studies of injecting animal blood into humans, especially into Africans and homosexuals in the concentration camps. He cross infected humans with SIV1 and nephrits: hepatitis G.

The places you find hepatitis G are areas near the old concentration camps, and Namibia, or the old German South Africa. Hep G Crossinfections with HIV 1 (from SIV 1) are common in these areas.

They also invented a retrovirus hepatitis: hepatitis D. This can only live on hepatitis B. This is crossinfected with HIV 2 (from SIV 2) from the German Toga region. You can map NAZI fingerprints in HIV by the sembiotic viruses that tend to be crossinfected with HIV in within specific areas that were German colonies.

The Hooper theory claims that HIV was accidently released in polio vaccine experiments in the 1950s.

The Eugene Fischer theory claims that both HIV 1 and HIV 2 can be traced back to NAZI intereference as we know that the NAZIs did invent Hep D and Hep G.

Just as Adolf Hitler was Dr. Eugen Fischer's pet in Germany, apparently Dr. Hendrik Verwoerd (Minister of Native Affairs 1950/Prime Minister 1958-1966) was Dr. Fischer's pet in South Africa.
Posted by saintfletcher, Tuesday, 4 July 2006 2:54:50 AM
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Ye Gods! Kevin and Saintflethcher actually think that AIDS was a weapon created by white people. Are you guys black?

AIDS has indeed been around for a long time. So has Lassa Fever and Ebola. But these human pathogens have always been isolated within specific locations within Africa and their occasional outbreaks within these isolated locations simply passed unnoticed by the rest of humanity for millenia.

Even one hundred years ago, virus's and bacterium could not get in a car, a train, or an aeroplane and hitch hike to other locations, including other continents. But today they are doing just that. Interestingly, a British seaman died of a mystery disease in 1850 in London, and this disease's symptoms were so extraordinary that physicians of the day closely noted the patients symptoms because they were so mystifying. Pathologists reviewing his case today now know from the symtomology that the seaman died of AIDS.

How close the world came to an outbreak of AIDS at a time when human beings did not even know what a "virus" was, is interesting to speculate. So are the appalling ramifications.

Another reason why AIDS is spreading in Africa is because many African men believe that the only cure for AIDS is to have sex with a virgin. Today, virgin girls, including babies, are being raped en masse all over Africa. Real bright, huh?

Get it through your intellectually challenged brains that AIDS is a natural human pathogen which is spreading mainly through total stupidity. It is also doing a great job of eradicating totaly stupid people from the human genome. If most of the victims are black, then gee, what does that tell you?
Posted by redneck, Tuesday, 4 July 2006 5:04:00 AM
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