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Drawing wrong conclusions : Comments

By Irfan Yusuf, published 6/4/2006

The president of the world's largest Muslim country laughed when told of the cartoon. Only God knows what the dingoes are thinking.

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Hes entitled to a laugh, there will be no riots here over it.

Who cares, if the situation was reversed there would be uproar, but as long as we know where we stand with them its easier to let it go.

Jeez, if we did the same to indonesia the problem would be there would be too much material, we would have to put out a series, the Adventures of Bang Bang.
Posted by Realist, Thursday, 6 April 2006 9:25:18 AM
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Wasn't it Keating who said "they won't deal with him" in reference to JWH dealing with South-East Asia?
Posted by SHONGA, Thursday, 6 April 2006 10:41:37 AM
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Ah yes, "failed Indonesian businessman", Paul Keating, now there was a man who knew how to "lickspittle to forces abroad". Such a drag when they go and change all the generals before you get your snout in the trough. Its enough to ruin your retirement.
Posted by Perseus, Thursday, 6 April 2006 10:57:02 AM
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I dunno. Is the political world getting more and more childish,[my cartoon is better than your cartoon!]?
Or is the pen indeed mightier than the sword?
Or is better to have a fight childishly than all grown up with real weapons?
Blessed if I know!
Posted by mickijo, Thursday, 6 April 2006 2:49:38 PM
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Irfan

Perhaps you'd be able to draw a cartoon trivalising the human rights abuses in West Papua.

Do one that makes the West Papuans a favour and makes the Javanese Generals and their sycophants laugh.

Mate I gotta say this latest little missive from you totally ignores the realities of the occupation of West Papua by the goldmining Javanese Military. Your posts have always shown yourself to be a much bigger character. You, regardless of a common religion, betray your obvious and oft exhibited decency by appearing to side with the Javanese militarist idiots...
Posted by keith, Thursday, 6 April 2006 5:15:54 PM
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Hi Irfan

Look I was critical of you when you expressed you opinion so in fairness I'll express mine so you can have a chance of 'leveling the score'.
Or as the kiwi's will say 'evening up'.

The Indonesian Archipelago has always been just that. A large group of Islands. It's cohesivenesss has always been achieved by force. Even though religion is a uniting factor, for many Indonesians, it has also been a disuniting influence. Note East Timor, Aceh, West Papua and also probably some of the nothern islands such as Celebese etc. The Indonesian political landscape is littered with the activities as well as the victims and their corpses of the dictatorial Javanese regimes of Sukarno and Suharto.

I reckon we in our lifetimes will see, with the movement toward Democracy, the eventual dismemberment of the Indonesian 'nation' and a contraction of Javanese influence. Much in the same way we saw the desmise of the former USSR and it's satelites. And especially as the world focuses on the Indonesian Archepaligo and the human rights and environmental issues the current societial and governmental influences create.

Religion in Democratic Nations eventually loses it's influence as people gain a broader and nore robust education. Such has occurred throughtour the history of the west and is happening in Indonesia today.

We will find, as Australians, much friendlier and co-operative nations to our north in future generations. And no there won't be any war...we won't allow that to occur... dingo's or no dingos.

Regards Keith
Posted by keith, Thursday, 6 April 2006 5:43:31 PM
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Irf

Thank you for your article.

It's pretty clear that the dingoes are saying: "Up you mate!".

By the way, I have never found any of your articles or your posts "humble" - far from it!

Cheers
Kay
Posted by kalweb, Thursday, 6 April 2006 8:03:32 PM
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The retort by "The Australian" was pathetic.They should have had the Indonesian president dressed in the full berka saying, "Bam Bang I shot you down."Then reciting the Old Mother Hubbard giving the dog a bone of her own.

Good to see Irf has a sense of humour.Yep the Muslims for the last 1300yrs have been too focused on the demise of the West.We have stuffed our own civilisation without any help.

The new rising star is China,our oldest surviving civilisation.They are smart ,industrious and hungry for power.Their totalitarian regeme does not auger well for tolerance of narrow minded religion.Within the next 20yrs,they will be the new world power and will not be tolerant like Christians and turn the other cheek to threats of violence or imposition of medievil philosophies.

Belief systems based on faith and hand me down bedtime stories are not enough to progress to a higher consciousness in this real world of scientific discovery.
Posted by Arjay, Thursday, 6 April 2006 10:43:51 PM
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Reality check please. Firstly, "Rakyat Merdeka" is a nationalist-orientated newspaper - not an Islamic one - that supported Mega until she got too snooty for her kebaya (although it did call itself Saddam News during the initial Iraqi War in March 2003). Secondly, Indonesia is not about to break apart. The country's very strong at its edges in places like Manado and Kupang even if these places are largely Christian.

BUT the Indonesians ARE screwing West Papua and I loved both the cartoons. More dingos and less politics please.

And free Schapelle too. She's innocent!
Posted by rogindon, Friday, 7 April 2006 10:03:03 AM
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It is funny how Australia implements double-standard, if Australian/Western cartoonists made insulting cartoons on non-white people (eg. Danish cartoon), they said it was their "press freedom". However, when Indonesian cartoonist mock Australian PM and FM, Australians show agitated reaction and one of your "award-winning" cartoonist even made a childish "revenge cartoon". Had this "revenge cartoon" not came out, we Indonesians wouldn't have known about the original cartoon. You Australians reacted like a baby being agitated by sight of a clown on TV. Quite amusing.
Posted by Proud to be Indonesian, Sunday, 9 April 2006 1:19:13 AM
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