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Papua crucial to Indonesia : Comments

By Richard Chauvel, published 29/3/2006

Indonesia needs international support to help reduce its dependence on violence to govern Papua.

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@mickijo:
"Does that mean that any country with no form of birth or population control can, when they overpopulate,take control of a weaker country for the purpose of over populating that one as well.
When does it stop?"

Indeed this is exactly the case with white invasion of Aboriginal country Australia. When will this illegal settlement of whites in Australia stop? When will you give back the land you stole to its rightful Aboriginal owners and go back to where you really came from, England or Ireland? When will you abide by the Aboriginals' democratic call of you white squatters to leave their land?
http://dailytelegraph.news.com.au/story/0,20281,18780402-5001028,00.html

Remember, you are NOT a real Australian, only Aborigines can call themselves that. You are just an English/Irish/*random European nationality* who are squatting in stolen Aboriginal land for too long.

@maracas:

LOL, another of your drunken fairy-tale. Indonesia's award-winning family planning program is mostly targetted at the overcrowded Javanese villages, are you now saying Indonesia is trying to "ethnically-cleanse" Javanese as well?

Indonesia is the world's third largest democracy, we can only look down on Australia, a small country that oppressed its indigenous population so mercilessly, yet claimed itself to be a "democracy". What a joke!
Posted by Proud to be Indonesian, Tuesday, 11 April 2006 9:00:45 AM
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I think you are ranting a bit PTBI, many divers people have come to this country for various reasons. The very first colonists had it very hard, they and their descendants and other arrivals have toiled to make this a pretty wonderful country.
True the Aboriginals were not treated well but we have tried to make up for their sufferings.
Our roots are as deep into this soil now as theirs, we belong to country more than it belongs to us.
It is good that you are proud of your country,we are proud of ours.
Posted by mickijo, Tuesday, 11 April 2006 3:02:48 PM
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The impertinent responses of indonesian officials to Australia granting temporary Visas to the asylum seekers from West Papua gives an interesting insight to the ignorance of Indonesia regarding Australia's obligation to genuine asylum seekers under international law.

Demands are being raised for Prime Minister Howard to go to Jakarta to explain to the Indonesians Australia's reasons for granting asylum to west Papuans when refusing sanctuary to middle eastern refugees.
What they don't understand is that the Australian Government under Howard was using the fear of terrorism by middle eastern refugees as a vehicle to get re-elected when many Australians opposed his government's actions in dealing with middle eastern asylum seekers.

Thankfully the Australian Immigration Department learned a lesson in humanity after wrongfully dealing with detainees in detention centres and granted visas to the deserving west Papuans fleeing from excesses of the Indonesian Military who are the real rulers of Indonesia and are fearful of adverse publicity being broadcast round the world of their heavy handed treatment of the separatist movements.
Apologists for the brutal Indonesian Military do not seem to understand that it is the violent actions of the military that must be reined in by SBY and his Government if an exodus of asylum seekers is to be curbed.

International support should place sanctions on all military co-operation with the Indonesian Military to assist the Indonesian Government assume proper control
Posted by maracas, Wednesday, 12 April 2006 10:28:01 PM
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@maracas:

LOL, Indonesian people, government, and military are united in our determination to fight separatists and all their foreign sympathisers and maintain our unity and integrity, the most cherised Indonesian national value. None of you dummy Australians can ever break this sacred unity!

About "embargo", President Bush said Indonesian military is USA's friend. Friend of USA is friend of Australia since USA is master of Australia. So, listen to your master president Bush, Ozzie boy, and start befriending Indonesian people, govt, and military!
Posted by Proud to be Indonesian, Friday, 14 April 2006 12:09:02 PM
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PtbI: "...start befriending Indonesian people, govt, and military"

Please define exactly what you people think of as "befriending". Let me list some of the friendly things Australia has done for Indonesia.

1. In the late 1940's Australia lobbied to the UN for Indonesian independence from the Dutch,
2. In the late 1940's our unions refused to load Dutch ships at our ports in sympathy with Indonesia's campaign for independence,
3. Australia continued to provide Indonesia with finanical aid during Indonesia'a aggressive Konfrontasi against Malaysia from 1963 to 1966 (and we continue to provide you aid today),
4. Australia did not stand in the way of Indonesia's takeover of West Papua,
5. Australia did not stand in the way of Indonesia's takeover of East Timor (and did nothing about it until Indonesia's human rights record become so appalling the situation was embarrassing for all concerned),
6. When Indonesia was hit by the Tsunami Australia pledged a billion dollars in further aid and assistance in cleaning up.

This is just a short list of half a dozen examples of what most grateful countries would call major examples of being friendly.

We have asked for nothing in return. Instead Indonesia does nothing but complain, whinge and carry on like a bunch of sooks.

I doubt very much if you can name any other country that has done as much for Indonesia as Australia has.

Have a nice day...mate.
Posted by AdvanceAustralia, Wednesday, 19 April 2006 4:15:55 PM
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