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Water shortages: It's the population stupid! : Comments

By Tom Gosling, published 15/2/2006

Australia's increased levels of population growth is resulting increasingly in a lack of resources, including water.

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Water is not the only resource threatened by population growth. We are in danger of losing our hold on this continent completely. You may not want to believe it but think about it.
Posted by Desk Hermit, Tuesday, 21 February 2006 11:03:26 AM
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Yobbo,

Singy and the other Asian ports are close enough to large mountainous systems that provide continual cool breezes as a heat sink. They are thermodynamically efficient and economically viable. Australia has no such mountainous terrain. You might as well be in Nth Africa as nth Australia. There are many similarities.

Air conditioning is NOT SUSTAINABLE unless you have an overabundance of cheap electricity. That will never happen in Nth Australia. Where will the energy come from to drive power hungry ACs.

One child policy, like in china, requires and abortion component and a demerit component if people are adamant. In return for economic advantage most people will opt for one child families.

Show us the link to a 20% gender imbalance in China.-- puhlease.

China was considered a third world country befor the one child policy due mainly to congestion. Since its introduction China has become a first world country and threatens to become the world's major superpower.
Public living standards have increased across the board commensurate with this. They even have rave parties on the great wall!

How do you like them apples?

My suggestion? Listen and you may learn a few things about the danger of overpopulating a desert island with insufficient temperate zone space to house the millions of immigrant voters that power hungry prime ministers dream about when they sleep at night.

And while you're at it, consider New Zealand in the light of Britain and Japan. It is destined to have a population pushing 60 million. If you intend to make a killing as an investor in Oz, you might need to have a rethink.
Posted by KAEP, Tuesday, 21 February 2006 12:04:07 PM
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"For every 100 girls born in China, about 16 more newborn boys came into the world, according to national census statistics in 2000. In other countries, usually only five to seven more boys are born."

http://www.china.org.cn/english/MATERIAL/73229.htm

"Air conditioning is NOT SUSTAINABLE unless you have an overabundance of cheap electricity. That will never happen in Nth Australia. Where will the energy come from to drive power hungry ACs."

Perhaps they could build a power plant there like they do everywhere else in the world?

"China was considered a third world country befor the one child policy due mainly to congestion."

No, It was because of Communism. The one child policy has done nothing to help China. Its development is purely a result of stable government, industrialisation and freeing of markets.

"Since its introduction China has become a first world country and threatens to become the world's major superpower.
Public living standards have increased across the board commensurate with this. They even have rave parties on the great wall!"

Thanks for the lecture, smartarse. For your information I spent 2 monhs in China last year and know very well about how things are developing there. You must be insane to think that China's development has anything to do with the one child policy. Literally I cannot imagine how you can come to that conclusion without eating my own face off in craziness.

And I also can't believe you think its "too hot for business" in Northern Australia. Surely you need some kind of psychiatric evaluation. The mind boggles.
Posted by Yobbo, Wednesday, 22 February 2006 11:29:26 AM
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If anyone is interested,

Yobbo stated that, "China now has a gender imbalance approaching somewhere like 20%".

This is pure BS. He is either attention seeking or just lying, hoping no one checks.
The article he lnked gave no information about a QUNTITATIVE nation wide gender imbalance. The only information relevant is his claim (no link again) that 16/(100+100) =8% more boys are currently being born. This of course will change with the stresses and strains of market demands.

There is no point dealing with his other knee jerk claims. He is out of his depth here. If he wishes to learn about how thermodynamics influences EVERYTHING in the Universe, including exploding stars, rock stars and even human Demographics, including water shortages, all he has to do is ASK.

In the meantime it is incumbent on all who enter this debate to understand that the efficiency of any society is dependent on how fast energy can be injected into it and how fast waste heat and waste products can be permanently eliminated from it.
It is also worth noting that 90% of human wastes stagnate in plumes off coastal cities, farms and mines. Just because we no longer see it does NOT mean its thermodynamic gravitas is not being felt. These stagnant plumes (Sydney has its own plume registered with the U.N. as a DEAD ZONE) attract low entropy heat from a variety of REGIONAL sources by a very simple thermodynamic law. Because these plumes control vast heat souces like heat from the Australian outback, these shifts in entropy are an AMPLIFICATION phenomenon. The resulting climate changes and their impacts on social and economic parameters are often mistaken for global warming. Further, the current trend of mass migration of much of humanity to coastal areas for greater opportunities is accelerating the development of coastal waste plumes.
Posted by KAEP, Wednesday, 22 February 2006 1:19:05 PM
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Yobbo,

Why do you think that you know more about the one-child policy than the Chinese government? They claim that if they hadn't introduced it there would be 300 million more people in China today, all of them poor. Why not make themselves popular, if the facts support what you are saying, by announcing that there is no more need for the policy and abolishing it?

Back in Australia, if we have all this water and potential for development in the far North, why is our government angering people by overpopulating the existing capital cities instead of encouraging investment there? As you have seen from this forum, arguments about overpopulation find a ready audience because people in the cities are living it: More crowding and congestion. More long, stressful commuting. The cost of a modest house rising from twice the median wage in the 1960s to 7-10 times the median wage now, even though block sizes have been shrinking dramatically. Permanent water restrictions, with people encouraged to spy on their neighbours. More social inequality. Casualisation and other exploitation at work. Lots of crime, social pathology, and ethnic tensions from a growing underclass. Crumbling infrastructure and public services as resources are diverted into growth. Shocking neglect of our disabled and other disadvantaged people...
Posted by Divergence, Wednesday, 22 February 2006 1:29:20 PM
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I live in the city and I don't feel overcrowded. I've also lived in New York City (population 10m+) and felt quite comfortable there.

If you don't like living in a city, why don't you move? Nobody is forcing you to live there.
Posted by Yobbo, Wednesday, 22 February 2006 9:40:41 PM
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