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Life's no beach in Sydney : Comments

By Salam Zreika, published 13/12/2005

Salam Zreika asks why some Australians are heading down the path of racism, while not condoning Middle Eastern youths' behaviour.

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"Salam Zreika asks why some Australians are..."

Why can't Salem ask why it is always Muslims, everywhere, that are in the middle of trouble? Why can't he ask why the word "terror" is so often preceded by the word "Islamic"? Why can't he ask the hard questions about his religion and his dear prophet? Why can't he ask about the verses proclaimimg hate and violence in the Quran and hadiths?

The fact is that Muslims have a problem and they are the only ones that can't see it. They are in denial.

The sad truth is that there is no hope that Muslims can live in peace in the long term with other cultures and societies. When the number of Muslims reaches a certain level (the point of no return) they will start their jihad. First it will be just demands, then a little crime, then more demands, then fights, then a riot, then murders, and then more riots and finally full-scale war. It will get ugly.

I wish I could believe otherwise. Yes there are good Muslims, but not enough to make a difference. Most of them are either indifferent and/or in denial, so the radicals will win, as they always do in Islamic societies. They, after all, practice the "pure" Islam and they have the Quran, the hadiths and especially the example of Mohammud on their side. All the moderates can do is make excuses and pretend this has nothing to do with Islam.

As we all know from Islamic writings (well, except for FH) Mohammud was a murderer, torturer, slaver and wife-beater - so what the "middleeastern" gangs have been doing so far has been very mild by Islamic standards.

It will get worse. I don't know how many times I have used that phrase on this forum, but it is the ways things are and will be. Worse yet, there is nothing we can do to change things.

No matter how nice Western societies are, no matter how accommodating, no matter how politically correct, it will not be enough for Muslims.

Kactuzkid aka Depressed!
Posted by kactuz, Tuesday, 13 December 2005 12:43:13 PM
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Matt, totally agree %100 except you left out the fact, that one day Australians and the west is going to stand up for itself after being spat on and rediculed by its own rules. which will eventually create either Civil war, Revolution or another Cold/World war with the east.

Ive always wondered if the Pope would declare A crusade agaist Muslims again... because the candle is melting and if someone doesnt put out the fire, It will create fires in all nations.
Posted by Hannibal Barca, Tuesday, 13 December 2005 12:44:51 PM
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Salam,

Agree with your article. Although we seem to drill down the wrong path too far too long. The issue is nothing more than law enforcement. The incident on the beach was nothing more than a couple of bastards who assaulted volunteer life savers. It should not matter Lebanese, chinese, Australian-ese, aborigin-ese…(apologies for overusing the term –ese).

As Benjamin pointed, Aussie way of like is about respect of minorities and other peoples rights and properties. I lived in the middle east for 29 years and seen bastards assaulting the fans of a competing soccer team. The un-Australian way is a behaviour portrayed by gangs (lebs, viet, whatever) who should be taken off the streets. The lowest I have seen of Middle Eastern behaviour was on the weekend by ordinary Australians in Cronulla and Brighton Le Sands on the weekend. This was no gangs but thousands of people fuelled by self interest groups and yellow media.
Few of my friends were assaulted (2nd generation greeks, an Italian and a latin American tourist who happened to be dark).

Its all about law enforcement and here is a good starting point:
http://smh.com.au/news/national/oneway-radio-plays-by-its-own-rules/2005/12/12/1134236005956.html

Don't we have a new law that criminalise people who incite violence against the society and minorities? How about using it?

In times when Australian Muslims volunteer hours educating Muslim youth, moderating forums and publishing blogs..Who is accountable for the T-shirts (featured on all international media) insulting Islam and its prophet? How exactly is it helping us making Australia a safer nation?
Posted by Fellow_Human, Tuesday, 13 December 2005 1:03:17 PM
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Agree Ash.

What has the author wearing a headscarf got to do with not "fitting in"? If Australia is multicultural, as everyone seems to claim it to be (in the press and the government) then she has just as much right to be proud of her ethnic heritage as anyone else - Aborigines, Sikh (wearing turbans and beards), Hindu (wearing sarong and having paint on their head), Jews (wearing yarmulke, having beards and waistcoats), Hare-Krishna's (shaving their heads and wearing robes), and the list goes on...

Plenty of Muslim girls don't wear the headscarf, nor are they inclined to. Plenty also wear it against their parents wishes because they want to practise what they believe their religion requires. Yet all of these people are stigmatized if we make it an "us versus them" situation instead of calling it for what it is: young yobbo thugs - of all persuasions - causing trouble on public beaches. Yes the Lebanese have a problem with angry young men, but so do plenty of other communities. Why focus on one to the detriment of the others?
Posted by dawood, Tuesday, 13 December 2005 1:40:39 PM
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Hannibal and Leigh can I just say your comments are disgusting-they make you absolutely no better or more Australian than the Lebanese gangs who terrorise society. You are terrorists yourselves.

I have always had my concerns that the marginilsation of One Nation would lead to far right groups heading under ground and the recruitment of moderates to extremist right elements. The weekend has merely proved that One Nation was not lucky to win 17% of primary votes but rather a legitimate outlet for the concerns of many Australians.

I for one despised Pauline Hanson's intellect and her party's lack of tangible sollutions. However the debate it created should not have been stifled by the idealist, naive and minority left who seem to be in denial that their policies have led to a racial crisis in the greatest nation in the world.
Posted by wre, Tuesday, 13 December 2005 1:51:31 PM
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The rise of Middle Eastern or Lebanese crime gangs has been on the rise for many years. They have succesfully waged a war with Chinese and Vietnamese gangs who have retreated to their own neighbourhoods. The only gangs left are the beach gangs and the bikies. The bikies have moved into legitimate business so only the beach gangs are left.

Gangs like the Telopea Street Boys have been standing over pubs and clubs in Sydneys CBD for years and questions were raised in NSW Parliament in 2002.

The Bra Boys and Lexo Boys are no angels but they are defending thier turf. This has little to do with racism it has everything to do with Criminal Gangs. Senior police have warned about the growing threat of Middle Eastern Gangs for years but our politicians are too pathetic to do anything about it.

See what retired policeman Tim Preist had to say at
http://www.quadrant.org.au/php/archive_details_list.php?article_id=581
Posted by Steve Madden, Tuesday, 13 December 2005 2:15:56 PM
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