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Do-nothing stance on climate not an option : Comments

By Martin Callinan, published 5/12/2005

Martin Callinan argues Australia’s climate policy has become a degraded object for most Australians.

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Concerning our present ever worsening global climate problem, proven by melting glaciers, etc, our present global rulership, sounds very much the head of a household, usually a male who declares to his wife, look, honey, we'll do that when we can afford it, so let's make enough money first.

And so it goes on. The worry is do our present rulers really have the answers concerning climate change. If it come to the test, it is from the universities where most of the warnings originate.

The further worry is that most of our rulers, especially in the White House, are proven go-getters, ready to take a political plunge because they have the power-backing to alleviate the risk. Here we talk about persons like Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld, who incidently might prefer less scientific measures to replace the use of oil and gas in the world.

So if we want to preserve a safer world for our great-grandkids, it could be a good idea to look to our deep intellectual areas, our universities, and not to monied groups similar to those who hold global power.
Posted by bushbred, Tuesday, 6 December 2005 4:50:39 PM
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PEOPLE WITH PASSION [4get the Intellects]!

The force of the people is enough if you can get them motivated!

Anyone with a brain can look around today and see that times are a changing, you dont need to be a scholar...to work out that. If swift action is not in place we will all be dooomed at the hands of mankind, If GOD doesnt step in First!.

Just look at the rise in Asthma cases and tell me that the levels of Co2 doesnt matter not even mentioning our melting polar caps. Hello wake up and try to smell the roses.Let's look for REAL SOLUTIONS and stop quibbling as to who is at blame or why?

We need to ask ourselves what we personally achieved today. Do we use the WALK,RIDE or CARPOOL option? Did we switch off the electrical items we were not using. Are we prepared to pay alittle extra for SOLAR power or better still generate our own power via wind, sun, tidal surge or water wheel the options are there are we assisting the inventor? Or do we ignore him because were too high minded to listen to someone that isnt in the INTELLECT CIRCLE. Let all Intellects & dummies use the ME FIRST POLICY reasoning of today & set an example to others by encouraging our neighbours in society to do something positive for the environment.

Bea Green
Posted by Bea Green, Thursday, 8 December 2005 9:22:48 AM
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Jellyback, from my own limited knowledge of histories leaders, I doubt that there has been anyone that would have taken the world or individual countries towards a sustainable future, but I am happy to be corrected.

Human population growth is a religious demand to increase their cannon fodder and influence, and a PC delusion that human life is sacrosanct. Human population growth has devastating outcomes. It depletes the natural resources of the planet rapidly. It destroys the animal life, for human greed and selfcentred satisfaction. It ruins the climate as humans expand their environmentally debauched lifestyles, destroying natural habitat and the planets ecology systems.

As long as we have societies that are orientated towards economic domination, growth at any cost, then nothing can be done to stop the decline and finality of our society. Throughout history, human societies have thought that their standard of living and technologies were the ultimate in living. Yet the inappropriate use of their technologies greatly contributed to their collapse.

The proper approach would be to utilise technology to enhance the environment as well as give us comfort and technological advancement. We have the knowledge we need, but not the inspiration because of greed. So this society will collapse over a very short period of time as has others, what will survive is the knowledge of not how to operate a sustainable society.

A growing consumption society is a quick way to the end. all it was only 50 years ago that this plant was still in a reasonably pristine condition except for heavily lived areas. Now it is the entire planet that is suffering. Common sense will show you that. Buy then again, it is only the blind and greedy and those who fear lose of power influence or face that refuse to see what reality has in store for us.

I can understand that those that have never really seen pristine environments, would see their own despotic cesspool environments as normal. The only time the people will get behind change, is when society has collapsed around them.
Posted by The alchemist, Thursday, 8 December 2005 10:51:36 AM
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It is evident from simple observation that the richer societies become, and the more their populations are educated, the more their population growth diminishes.
Have a look at most of the nations of the West. There is virtually no population growth, apart from immigration, in Western Europe.
Similarly in the US and Japan.
Also, far from the environment worsening in the last fifty years, there has been an improvement in most Western countries. Just compare London in the 1950's with its “smog”, to London today. This is only one example.
Of course the environment can be improved still further, but the trend is positive, especially in the West.
I recommend that the following article be read:
http://www.economist.com/science/displayStory.cfm?Story_ID=718860

The article explains why people think the environment is getting worse, when in fact it is improving.
Of course, we have to be vigilant to ensure that this progress continues. It won’t be continued by societies becoming poorer, which is what most “greenies” advocate.
Posted by Froggie, Friday, 9 December 2005 3:25:48 PM
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Froggie, that article was written 4 years ago and on an economists site, you could expect nothing less from those that live in fantasy land.

Things have changed drastically since then, but I understand the head in the sand attitude. You only have to look at the glaciers of the world to see the dramatic change and how much damage it will cause.

You must live in a box in a city to have the attitude you have and rarely if ever venture out of your polluted environemt, to not see the reality of what is happening
Posted by The alchemist, Saturday, 10 December 2005 1:15:58 PM
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Climate change if happening is a natural occurance that has been hapening since beginning of time.CO2 is rising but very slowly and not as high as in the past.No proof that climate change is being caused by rising CO2 levels.No computer climate has ever been validated .So called models are scenarios and should be treated as such.
macp
Posted by ANGLE, Saturday, 10 December 2005 4:48:35 PM
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