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Katrina precipitates Bush's fall from grace : Comments

By Bede Moore, published 18/11/2005

Bede Moore argues the Democrats have an opportunity to seize power from the US Republicans and President Bush.

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Invading Afghanistan would have been OK, to rid the place of the Taliban,had it been the UN doing the invasion.
The same could be said of Robert Mugabe. Or some of the other vicious African states which have no respect for human rights.
But the US should not have the right to pre empt invasion of any country unless in unison with the UN.
It is a pity that the UN is such a toothless wonder, it could be such a power for good.
Posted by mickijo, Saturday, 19 November 2005 2:39:32 PM
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Wow. Talk about an ideologically driven propoganda piece.
'Bush revelled' 'easy division' 'a cause notably absent' 'americans, stupified' 'illogical support' 'so many failings'

Yeesh Bede. And that was just the first 5 sentences.

Of course. Liberals and lefties seem unable to comprehend that others have a different worldview, value different things and approach problems in a different manner. Why this leads them to brand conservatives as irrational or stupid is anyones guess, but it makes them come off as elitist and arrogant.

"On the same day that Miers left Washington, Vice President Dick Cheney’s chief of staff, I. Lewis Libby, was indicted for his involvement in leaking the identity of undercover CIA agent Valery Plame in 2003."

I'm sorry Bede, but this is just patently false. Libby was indicted on charges of perjury and the like, NOT on any involvement in the leak.

At least the rest of your article was close enough to the truth to appear accurate.

Oh well, let the propanda continue...
Posted by Alan Grey, Monday, 21 November 2005 8:45:42 AM
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Alan Gray:
"Why this leads them to brand conservatives as irrational or stupid is anyone’s guess"

Oh boy! Where do I start?

The reason it leads them to brand conservatives as stupid is because...

- Neglecting America's poorest in their greatest time of need is stupid;
- Lying to the world about WMD in order line the pockets of a few rich men is stupid;
- Claiming to be liberating a country while there's rampant poverty and gang warfare in your own is stupid;
- Blowing $221 Billion on an illegitimate war while that money could fully fund global anti-hunger efforts for 9 years is stupid.
- Blowing children to bits while claiming to be doing God's work and inadvertently exacerbating international terrorism is stupid;
- Holding short term profits over global sustainability as a priority is stupid.

I could keep going but I have to keep it to 350 words.

There's just as much if not more misleading right-wing propaganda.

P.S. Sorry if common sense sounds elitist.
Posted by Mr Man, Monday, 21 November 2005 8:02:21 PM
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Thanks Mr Man. You have shown in clear detail my point.
Btw, the idea that Bush and the Administration lied about WMD is obviously nonsense. Perhaps you should read a little less left wing screeds and a little more factual articles.

I would suggest starting here
http://www.commentarymagazine.com/Production/files/podhoretz1205advance.html
Posted by Alan Grey, Tuesday, 22 November 2005 1:02:39 PM
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The article to which Alan Gray refers was written by Norman Podhoretz - member of the far right - hardly objective.

Norman Podhoretz (born January 16, 1930) is considered to be a prominent neo-conservative writer. From 1981-87, Podhoretz served with the U.S. Information Agency. He is a senior fellow at the Hudson Institute. He is believed to be a member of the Council on Foreign Relations and is connected with the Project for the New American Century.

The Project for the New American Century is a star chamber devoted to spreading American dominance in world affairs.

Check out the website for yourself:

http://www.newamericancentury.org/statementofprinciples.htm

Alan Gray - try to present some objective evidence for your claims than the highly spurious link you provided.
Posted by Scout, Wednesday, 23 November 2005 7:30:29 AM
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Scout,
Norman Podhoretz did not give us expert opinion, but simple, verifiable historical facts.
You ad hominem attack on him is irrelevant to those facts.

That you ingore the facts shows how weak your argument is
Posted by Alan Grey, Wednesday, 23 November 2005 9:19:59 AM
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