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Learning from Kylie: dance on tables in gold hot pants! : Comments

By Natasha Cica, published 20/5/2005

Natasha Cica argues we can learn from Kylie's illness and learn to love life more.

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I agree with Natasha on this. While I'm certainly no huge Kylie fan, I'm somewhat bemused at the media circus that her very public diagnosis of breast cancer is attracting. It would be good if this could be turned around to benefit the many thousands of hoi polloi women (and men) who suffer from breast cancer, or simply provide a focal point for reflection on the fragility of life, fame, fortune or whatever.

But PLEASE - DON'T play her awful music really loud...

Pretty please...

I'll pay money...
Posted by garra, Saturday, 21 May 2005 8:04:13 AM
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Great article Natasha.

With you on the music Garra.

Hope the media circus doesn't overtake the issue.

Must admit to have suddenly taken to examining my breasts - timely reminder for us all. Men can get breast cancer too.

Hope I don't get it... I should be so lucky.. so lucky, lucky, lucky, lucky.
Posted by Xena, Saturday, 21 May 2005 9:12:26 AM
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Having lost a mother to the same thing, its a relief that they seem to have found it early.

Some points.

1/ If you live by the media, its a bit strange to complain when they follow you at other areas of your life than just the ones you would choose for the furtherance of your career.

2/ Natasha's article sounds reminiscent of "If not ...(left out)...Eat drink and be merry, for tomorrow we die"... I wonder who said that ?

Did I miss something in the article ?
Posted by BOAZ_David, Saturday, 21 May 2005 3:03:27 PM
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Well said Natasha,
"It’s a timely reminder of how fragile, and ultimately useless, all the status, fame, career milestones, megabucks and other trophies on the mantelpiece can prove to be. When you’ve got cancer or any other life-threatening illness, what you need is the people who really know you to be right there. To hold your hand while you’re throwing up after treatment, and buy you groovy scarves when your hair falls out, and promise to look after those you love most the same way you do, when you’re gone. If it comes to that."

And something more, to develop a relationship with God through Jesus Christ to add meaning and purpose to life, the forgiveness of all that really useless euphemeral stuff and to know peace with God. Now there's something worthwhile
Posted by David Palmer, Saturday, 21 May 2005 9:16:35 PM
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Flippant and cliched. A celebrity is crook so we should all get drunk and fondle a fairy in gold hot pants? Good advice and a testament to the value of tertiary education.

Here's some more good advice: Always wear clean undies. Apart from the likelihood of being run over by a truck, we wouldn't wish to embarrass ourselves if we got down to some serious lovin' with the fairy. Skidmarks and living in the moment don't mix.
Posted by bozzie, Monday, 23 May 2005 12:29:26 AM
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thanks bozzie, I was wondering how to address the very weirdly angled last paragraph of this mostly worthwhile article. How does living for the moment (in her reckoning, is to live in excess - oooh, INXS, there's an opportune nexus) translate to the message of responsiblity and proper sense of proportion addressed at the start. Perhaps she was writing two articles at once and inadvertently put the end of one onto the other.

Very odd note to end the article on indeed, and yet, the paper paid good money for it. Go figure
Posted by Rose C, Monday, 23 May 2005 11:48:11 AM
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Good to see Rose and Bozzie are totally out of character with existential humanism :) and more in tune with the Apostle Paul.

How nice it would be, to discover the faith which ties it all together.

At least we are in total agreement about the observations you make, and I would just add that this situation is the absolute kryptonite for the moronic 'If u've got it, flaunt it' mentality which seems to pervade some on this forum. Flaunting somehow just doesn't make the grade when you realize that the flaunters might have some condition they dont know about, and in a more advanced stage than Kylie, which will soon make them a living example of, and demonstrate the utter emptiness of such an approach to life.
Posted by BOAZ_David, Tuesday, 24 May 2005 6:21:24 AM
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So BD I take you mean that if you do 'have it' don't flaunt because you might die?

We're all gonna die.

I don't want to be on my death bed and think what a boring existence I have led.

I want to remember singing my heart out at a gig, I want to recall my friends and the good times we had.

The hair shirt existence is not for me.

Good luck to Kyles, hate your music love your spirit.
Posted by Xena, Tuesday, 24 May 2005 8:11:53 AM
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What a load of media bulldust! My family and possibly yours is encapdulated by malignant cancer. What a load of bull that she allowed the media to say - oh - just in the shower - found a golf ball like thing. Give me a break.
Posted by kalweb, Tuesday, 24 May 2005 11:11:24 PM
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typo - encapsulated - no pun. I have had malignant cancer (Clarke Level IV malignant melanoma). Give me a break. I have intelligence. I have integrity.
Posted by kalweb, Tuesday, 24 May 2005 11:19:14 PM
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Not quite Xena.
I'm saying that those who are well endowed with yummy bits and generally nice look, should be aware that if you poke it in the face of all the rest of us, dont expect too much sympathy when suddenly the source of your pride and arrogance is reduced to zero with some horrible terminal illness.

To "flaunt ones" physical (or intellectual) for that matter MEANS just this "Look at MEEEEEEEEE.. see how CUTE I am, or how SMART I am.. me me meeeee.. see it all of you, dont you WISH u were like meeeeeeeeeeee but hey, YOUR NOT etc etc etc

Not just that, but its the same mentality as the 'fastest gun in the west'... who ALways met someone just a little faster :).... its shallow and pathetic to hold such an attitude.

Whatever gifts we have, whether physical or intellectual, I feel its better to go with what we have, NEVER to 'flaunt' it, and use it for the betterment of the community and our families.

Jesus told a parable. "When you goto a wedding feast, dont look for the seat of highest honour, or the host may come and say in front of everyone. "See, here is one more honorable than you, give your seat up", and with shame you are directed to the lowest seat.
Posted by BOAZ_David, Wednesday, 25 May 2005 11:47:43 AM
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Boaz

Is it your time of the month?

I mean that would have to be the most infantile response you've ever made. Oh, did I mention unnecessary?

Xena was only talking about enjoying her life before carking it. And she's right.

I think I'll go out and party right now - lock up your sons!
Posted by Ringtail, Wednesday, 25 May 2005 4:39:25 PM
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Ringy, not infantile, don't insult me please. I am dead set serious about the idea of 'flaunting', as for Xena, and you, party as long and hard as you like.

Enjoying life should never be at the expense of other peoples dignity, and this "If u've got it flaunt it" is something which I believe should be attacked on every level. That is quite different from enjoying ur self and enjoying ur life.

I was trying to explain to Xena what I was actually on about. She said "I take it you think we should not enjoy ourselves because we are going to die". I was not suggesting we don't enjoy ourselves.

I was making the point as forcefully as I can that enjoyment should never be based on the flaunting of ourselves nor the humiliation of others. If that is avoided, then party on dude. She seemed to be suggesting that if you don't flaunt yourself, you will have led a boring life, which was to misunderstand my intended meaning.

So, I'll just take it that Xena and you want to woop it up a bit, ok..fine :) why should I have a problem with singing your heart out at a gig Xena ? I don't thing thats flaunting yourself its exercising a talent.
Posted by BOAZ_David, Wednesday, 25 May 2005 5:39:59 PM
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Better to burn the candle at both ends than go to the grave having never lit its flame.

Kylie -always seems like a sensible lady - despite the obvious "issues" presented by the trappings of fame, fortune and a fair complexion.

David - get a grip - Separate the "stage act" from the "person" - she is just as entitled to our sympathy and compassion in this, her "trial" as much the anonymous, poor and ugly.
Posted by Col Rouge, Wednesday, 25 May 2005 11:46:04 PM
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Yay! A post from Col I can agree with and not a sneering insult in sight. Well done Col.

BD maaate, I think you're just the tiniest bit threatened by sexuality, so you hide behind your bible crying "Begone wanton woman, get thee to a nunnery" You think I don't strut mah stuff when I'm singing my lungs out? OK I don't wear the same kind of gear that our Kyles wears - more a grunged down sorta look. Somehow I doubt you would approve daddy...

Anyway as Col said Kyles deserves just as much sympathy as poor bug-uglies who contract the dreaded big C.

Cancer knows no boundaries, Kylie doesn't deserve it anymore than anyone else. However, her fame has brought home to many young people including myself than it can happen to anyone. I intend to regularly check myself from now on
Posted by Xena, Thursday, 26 May 2005 8:03:11 AM
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I wish every girl who's got it, flaunted it. I don't even mind girls flaunting it who haven't got it! I myself rarely flaunt it: mainly because what I've got isn't flauntable.
Posted by bozzie, Thursday, 26 May 2005 9:26:21 AM
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