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Time for a commonsense detention policy : Comments

By Tim Martyn, published 4/4/2005

Tim Martyn argues that community based assesment for asylum seekers is better for tax payers and for the refugees

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Molly, if you take careful note, its not 'you' who gets the 'names' its usually me :)
Name calling is not my stong point.

The problem with change towards other cultures, is mainly that it inherrantly involves an automatic marginalization of the 'non them'.
Culture involves 'language' and customs and attitudes to many things. Example. the chinese see nothing wrong with utilizing rare and endangered animals as 'exotic food' and medicine. When in Malaysia some time back my host took me to a 'high priced' resturant which served only such "cussine" I saw some beautiful spotted jungle cats in cages waiting to be slaughtered for some businessmans delight.
Made me sick !

Have you ever had concreting done Molly ? did u have an Italian concreter ? If so, did you notice that all the sub contractors, the driver, the bobcat guy, were all Italian also ? Its not universally the case but it IS a very noticable thing. Discrimination based on race/ethnic origin is very real in the business world.

Communism does not ask 'can we succeed in a prosperous society', rather its says "What must we do, to bring about the proletarian revolution NO MATTER WHAT the exisiting society is like".?

Have a read of the Socialist sites online for further info.

You would be possibly surprised at some of the ways communism has sought to bring about social instability in order to capitalize on it for their own purposes. Don't you remember the author who wrote about that very thing, (which he personally experienced) the bombing in Hong Kong in this forum ?

Well there u go, I'm at the end of this post and not one 'name' :) ur home free.
blessings.
Posted by BOAZ_David, Monday, 25 April 2005 9:29:37 PM
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BOAZ_David

It's very scarey the sort of Australia you are advocating. Seems to be that if people are 'different' from you then there is something wrong with them. Why?

If it wasn't for Italians we wouldn't have cafes, more choice in food, a robust fishing industry, excellent concreting, films, music, books... and so many more unanamable things that have made Australia a better place to live in.....

If you want to go back and live in the White Australia policy pre-1950s fish 'n chip boring one dimensional place that this used to be don't take me! Thankfully - we have moved on from there to a diverse and inclusive Australia (though regressing somewhat with the Howard 1996-2005... government which will hopefully end one day soon).
Posted by Miranda, Tuesday, 26 April 2005 8:44:02 AM
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Miranda,

David Boaz has mentioned that he has an Asian wife, which refutes your silly claims that he wants a 'white Australia'. We have to be selective about who comes into the country for social stability.

That means, PEOPLE WHO ARE GOING TO FIT IN. It sounds like you are motivated by a cancerous cultural cringe, rather than a common sense, pragmatic perspective. White anglo saxon Australia, Miranda, set up and maintain the infrastructure that allows migrants to flourish.

Not everyone 'waks' off about multiculturalism the same way you do Miranda. It has some benefits, and some disadvantages. It's time to get real about the disadvantages.
Posted by davo, Tuesday, 26 April 2005 10:49:34 AM
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Miranda !
(Thanx Davo, your support is welcomed, glad someone is keeping track of things I write :)
You are missing the point... still. There is no denying cultural enrichment we have experienced due to different groups making Aus their new home. NOT a problem, the problem comes when groups get ORGANIZED politically on behalf of 'THEIR GROUP' and seek to influence the political stage and government policy to the specific advantage of their group over others. There is a name for that, and it starts with "D". My point is that we have to make judgement calls on the suitable 'type' and 'quantity' of people who come to our country. There is absolutely nothing 'scary' about that. Its called responsible government.

Me, afraid of 'different' people ? I hardly think so, I speak Indonesian, Malay, a tribal language of Borneo and I've lived with all these DIFFERENT people and have more respect for some of them than for my own crowd. I stand in awe of some indigenous people I've met and interacted with, ate with, lived with etc. But along with all that positive stuff, I DID learn a few lessons about people in diverse cultural situations. They are etched into my brain like the Tablets of the 10 commandments. It might be said that I speak with a degree of authority based on real world experience, rather than simple ignorant prejudice.
So, now I'm arrogant also ? :) (calling Xena)

The Error of your ways Miranda (as I see it) is that you are wide open to the positives but totally blind to the negatives in regard to migration. Perhaps because somehow you have settled on refugee advocasy as some kind of justification for your existence and hence now have a vested emotional and social interest in keeping the 'industry' going ? Like most people in that situation, a little bit of wise facts based balance is needed.
Posted by BOAZ_David, Tuesday, 26 April 2005 12:51:18 PM
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This post was supposed to be about alternative arrangements for detaining refugees (see original article) but lately has degenerated into an anti-immigration rant. No need to name names, you know who you are.

Sorry to tell you boys, but we are definitely a multi-cultural and diverse society with freedom for everyone to follow their beliefs. And with the way the Howard government is going with increased intakes of migrants we will be even more multicultural in future, regardless of what we do about refugees.
No need to worry about the migrants fitting in, they will find their way OK as previous migrants have over the past 200 years. The ones I worry about not fitting in are the British migrants who have lived here for years but won't take out Australian citizenship.

Of course there are plenty of people who are born in Australia who find it hard to fit in. For example, I always thought that one outstanding feature of Australians is tolerance of others. It is clear from some of the previous posts that there are some who fall short on that criterion.
Embrace diversity and enjoy life!
Posted by rossco, Tuesday, 26 April 2005 10:02:45 PM
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The federal government is planning to send currently detained Baxter (Port Augusta, SA) asylum seekers to Christmas Island to be incarcerated in a new jail there.

Any comments for/against that idea?
Posted by Miranda, Wednesday, 27 April 2005 8:32:57 AM
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