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The paternal state - politician sperm donors? No thanks! : Comments

By Melinda Tankard Reist, published 24/1/2005

Melinda Tankard Reist examines Gab Kovac's plan to get politicians to donate sperm.

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Hi Simone and Kenny,

So what do you or other people believe are possible solutions to the problems involving IVF and adoption (and please leave out the name calling and insinuations regards myself)?
Posted by Timkins, Monday, 31 January 2005 2:11:45 PM
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KENNY *confused look*...
umm...where did I put words in your mouth in this topic ????
My bible is always close .. to my heart at least.
Enlightenment :) I so love that kind of comment. I posted it somehwere else but a ditto here won't go astray and while Simone and Grace speak 'from within' this generation in a rather existential way, seldom stopping to ask 'why' we can even ask these questions, I draw your attention to this, as a warning. (not from me but from me ol mate Fred)
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Nihilism is the belief that all values are baseless and that nothing can be known or communicated. It is often associated with extreme pessimism and a radical skepticism that condemns existence. A true nihilist would believe in nothing, have no loyalties, and no purpose other than, perhaps, an impulse to destroy. While few philosophers would claim to be nihilists, nihilism is most often associated with Friedrich Nietzsche who argued that its corrosive effects would eventually destroy all moral, religious, and metaphysical convictions and precipitate the greatest crisis in human history
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Now don't knock the guy, after all he discovered that God had died :)

The position of women as being 'in charge of themselves' is curious. They happen to be the vehicle of human reproduction, which, last time I checked involves we guys. And from the moment of conception, we are as involved as it can be, OUR life is present inside that young lady, how DARE anyone reduce this awesome and wonderful fact of life to something about 'empowered women'.

But ... to the topic. I find the way that precious little lives are tossed around as 'topics' and political footballs to be rather repulsive. The social side of this has yet to be measured effectively in my opinion. I just know that the thought of my own offspring being 'out there' and being denied his/her own biological dad, comes pretty close to 'unthinkable' to me. Umm...Tony Abbot had a child ????? amazing the advancements of this program.
Posted by BOAZ_David, Monday, 31 January 2005 3:01:03 PM
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Boaz,
The issue is much more complex than whether or not the child knows the “name” of their donor parent. Many donor parents now live “somewhere” in other countries and are basically unavailable to the child.

There also have been meetings between donor parents and their children that have not been satisfactory for either party, and left both quite depressed, regretful and wishing they had not met. It is not necessarily all joy and happiness.

I didn’t have the time to find the links the other night but this link shows where IVF is heading. Genetically modified children or “designer babies” or “made to order babies”. It is at the “scientific research” stage at present, but there are a considerable number of moral or ethical issues involved with this. It is now scientists playing at God, independent of any religion.

http://www.gene.ch/genet/2001/May/msg00043.html
Posted by Timkins, Monday, 31 January 2005 3:37:43 PM
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What's Nihilism got to do with it? Nietzsche was a reductionlist but he didn't go that far.

For Timkins I wasn't have a go I truely think by your posts that this is a isssue you need to deal with there is no shame in getting help to understand why you think something. To often people do explore why the think they do, but simply find reasons to backup their view points.

As for IVF I think people have always tried to manipulate these things, now we can do it I think we should. As for so called designer babies why not what parent would want the best for their offspring.
Posted by Kenny, Monday, 31 January 2005 5:08:12 PM
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Kenny,
I don't think you have given an answer to many of the issues. These are just some

Donor parents (either men or women) can be quite unavailable to the child, because they are in a different country to where the child is born (and this is becoming more common.)
Donor parents can have many children and may not have much bonding with any.
Meetings between donor parents and the IVF child not necessarily satisfactory for either party
Higher rates of birth defects with IVF children and they don't know why
Lower rate of pregnancy as the mother gets older
IVF industry is often is driven by money, and can become very commercialised (not necessarily moral)
What is a good or required child, and should it be "made to order" by genetic engineering ? (eg one that can break an Olympic record, or one that has white skin only)
Posted by Timkins, Monday, 31 January 2005 5:45:17 PM
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Timkins... child dude :) I'm on ur side.. I was not asserting that the child needs to know the name of the biological parent..I would say they need the full 9 yards.. how can we deny to our own offspring the parental duty and connection.. emphasis on the connection.

Kenny.. do u have kids ?
and pls argue with the encyclopedia from where I got the quote about Neitzche.. it said "Is most often associated with" him..... got it now ? :) and if u look even closer, the reasons it is associated with him is because of what he claimed such a thing would lead to..and VOILA.. it just did..in your comment about 'if they want to, why not' (designer babies).. u probably have little idea how incredible that statement is, I mean 'that u can even think it' as I'm often saying. That mode of thinking is purely a result of what I quoted. U make it up as u go along. Not trying to be mean there, just observing.
BOAZ
Posted by BOAZ_David, Monday, 31 January 2005 9:55:21 PM
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