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Going Nuclear in the Antipodes: Australia’s megadeath complex : Comments

By Binoy Kampmark, published 10/7/2019

The nuclear call doing the rounds in Canberra is a bit of old man's bravado, and a glowering approach to the non-proliferation thrust of the current international regime.

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I STRONGLY disagree absolutely and entirely with the Author's comments and take on the nuclear option! Something we absolutely must consider, as long as any nuclear armed, potential adversary has its eyeballs glued on our land, resources etc. Which he, if not prevented, would hand to them on a silver platter, with his anti-nuclear, anti-independent, anti-self-dependant advocacy

Potential adversaries?

No names no pack drill. They could be several?

As for the nuclear option and our ability to create weapons-grade plutonium? We already have that capacity in the medical grade, reactor at Lucas Heights. WE DO!

Given access, my druthers and my shopping list could use it to also create several dozen tactical nuclear weapons in several weeks, small enough to be installed in our existing smart bombs as their warheads.

And used against military shipping, airfields Communications, power generation and military bases. As a single out of the blue, preemptive strike.

Always providing, verifiable credible intelligence demanded that as our only available response to imminent invasion! Which cannot be allowed to proceed!

That said, we have other reasons to embrace the nuclear option as the only viable, carbon-free, reliable, dispatchable, clean, safe affordable, power source. And should stop listening to fifth columnists, who would have us put in jeopardy and defenceless!?

Our debt-laden economy is in virtual ruins due to prevarication over the nuclear option! When every boy and his dog understands, our self-reliant defence and security is absolutely dependant on a strong robust economy and robust sustainable high tech manufacturing.

The latter absolutely tied to and unquestionably dependant on affordable, reliable, dispatchable, CARBON-FREE nuclear energy! ABSOLUTELY! NO QUESTION!
Alan B.
Posted by Alan B., Wednesday, 10 July 2019 11:15:49 AM
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Kampmark is suffering leftwing academic delusions when he puts forward the thesis that Australia felt "moral envy" for NZ's deceitful anti-US nuclear defences stand.

Rather Australia has resigned itself to spending a greater percentage of its own GDP on defence in order to make up NZ's defence expenditure shortfalls.

On "deceitful" - Weak NZ PM's Lange (1984-89) and then Helen Clark (1999-2008) maintained a no-US-nuclear-ships policy in the knowledge that the US and Australia would still defend NZ.

NZ is on Australia's flank so we would naturally defend NZ however selfish NZ defence policies used to be.

NZ has grown out of the policy mistakes of Lange-Clark era and now fully cooperates with nuclear/conventionally armed US and conventionally armed Australia.
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Kampmark would be grudgingly aware that:

1. NZ has (quietly) sent NZ servicemen to Iraq http://www.nzdf.mil.nz/operations/iraq.htm and Afghanistan http://www.nzdf.mil.nz/operations/afghanistan.htm for many years as a sign of alliance with the US.

and

2. NZ's signal intelligence bases also (quietly) cover their geographic neighbourhood in support of the Five Eyes (UKUSA) Alliance - an alliance in which the US is the largest partner - see http://www.gcsb.govt.nz/about-us/ukusa-allies/

Pete
(Written the above on behalf of sentiments of the Australian Government including the ALP Opposition)
Posted by plantagenet, Wednesday, 10 July 2019 1:42:59 PM
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Kampmark is suffering leftwing academic delusions
plantagenet,
Enough said !
Posted by individual, Wednesday, 10 July 2019 2:31:06 PM
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Binroy is known to dislike the USA and our defence ties with it? And this article and the previous one coming hard on the heels of another defence exercise that involves the above.

His past commentary would seem to show anti-US bias and or admiration to both Russia and China, both of who are nuclear armed, expansionist states!

[One also notes the very cosy relationship between Trump and (oil oligarch) Putin

What does that tell us? That we and NZ should no longer stand on the shoulders of any, no longer reliable giants regarding our nuclear defence?

Interestingly, Turkey is a nuclear-armed state where US sourced Nuclear inventory exceeds fifty thermonuclear devices. And not a single word of condemnation from anti-nuclear," champion of freedom and justice", Binroy?

Even as the Turkish Tyrant eliminates freedom of the press and starts a war of attrition against the Kurd! Just as they had won some autonomy and enough seats in the parliament to topple the Turkish Tyrant!

Ironic?

Or just a loudmouth fifth columnist doing his tiny best, to influence, decidedly dumb, self-serving, sellout politicians?

If any of our leaders had the brains they were born with? That would crack on resolutely with a nuclear program and our aerospace/missile defence system And early warning capabilities that has to include significant coverage with sonar buoys and rapid response deployment of countermeasures!

Any unannounced submarine straying into our territorial waters, which have to be expanded, need to be assumed to be hostile and face a significant bombardment/confirmed destruction!

Moreover, we need to become self-sufficient in adequate, home-grown fuel supplies and fuel self-sufficiency. Only nuclear power would guarantee just that!
Alan B.
Posted by Alan B., Wednesday, 10 July 2019 3:32:37 PM
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The attitudes of successive New Zealand governments in akin to that of a spoiled adolescent, always rebelling and acting out with mummy and daddy, secure in the knowledge that if anything bad happens, they know that mummy and daddy will come running to the rescue.

This is especially so, when one remembers that the total numbers of entire New Zealand armed forces is less than that of the New York Police department. New Zealand is a mouse trying to roar and looking ridiculous doing it. Virtue signalling and moral posturing has replaced plain common sense. New Zealand can not defend itself and they are offending their own proven reliable ally who has come to their aid previously in time of war. They deserve to be invaded and conquered. Their behavior is as idiotic as the New Zealand Wharfies who refused to load US navy ships while it was raining during the crucial battle for Guadalcanal north of New Zealand, where 20.000 US servicemen died.

Only 9 months ago the criminal regime of North Korea threatened to nuke Australia, and even that was unable to get us thinking straight about nuclear energy, nuclear powered submarines, and nuclear weapons. We are acting like the rich Romans who thought that they need not bother with defending Rome because they had always won in the past. They did not worry about King Alaric and his Visigoths, nor repairing the walls of Rome until it was too late.

Thank God or somebody, that the USA has got a President who is telling his skinflint "allies" to start spending some money on their own defense, instead of expecting the USA to come running when push comes to shove. He is also attempting to stop the USA from continuing to be the world's policeman who always gets criticised by their ungrateful "allies" for keeping the peace and standing up to lunatics on behalf of everybody.

With "allies" like New Zealand, who needs enemies? With political commentators like Binoy, who needs a Lord Haw Haw? Or a Tokyo Rose?
Posted by LEGO, Wednesday, 10 July 2019 4:30:56 PM
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Binoy's last couple of offerings looks as silly as New Zealand banning US ships.

Both look like children playing at grown up
Posted by Hasbeen, Wednesday, 10 July 2019 6:41:39 PM
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Defending ourselves from China with nuclear weapons, is totally the wrong attitude.

Chinese weapon of choice has long been the nuclear cheque book; against that nifty secret weapon, nukes become defunct.

Dan
Posted by diver dan, Wednesday, 10 July 2019 8:15:39 PM
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Talk about delusional....a country gives up building it's own motor vehicle because the populace thought they were worth more than they were being paid, is now going to go start building nuclear deterrents.
The same country that can't build it's own armaments because someone told them they didn't need to is going to acquire a big stick to wave at others and probably end up poking itself in the eye.
And then we have the Jingoes who wrap themselves up in a flag representing little national fervour and makes the flag of the first nation people seem more symbolic.
The union jack is British and when the indigenous were being slaughtered it was by British policy under the Union Jack and not European under the flag of the unknown.
Why is it that when that priceless monarch Prince Philip opens his mouth and out pops a racist slur it's classified as a 'gaffe' but when uttered by someone else it's racist.
Posted by Special Delivery, Wednesday, 10 July 2019 8:27:38 PM
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The MAD, mutually assured destruction, strategy has proved totally effective in preventing a major war for the past 74 years. What is it that lefty intellectuals don't understand about that?
Posted by Hasbeen, Wednesday, 10 July 2019 11:09:11 PM
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Talk about delusional. "Special Delivery" is another young trendy brainwashed by his left wing teachers to hate his own country, people, and flag. That is of course, if he is not a foreign import himself who sneers at the people into who's community either he or his parents clamoured to join.

The reason why Australia did not suffer from the very significant indigenous uprisings by native people that the USA had was for three reasons. The first, is that native populations densities were extremely low compared to US. Arch left winger Jarrad Diamond in his book estimated total aboriginal numbers at 250,000 within the entire continent of Australia. The second, was that despite the First Fleet making sure that no convict was sent to Australia with smallpox, "carriers" (unknown to medical science at that time) were sent and almost wiped put the immune deficient native population of Australia. Thirdly, it was the young aboriginal survivors who saw in he coming of the white man the chance of a better life than living under the incredibly brutal tribal tyranny of the Old Men.

Lastly, there are practically no pure bred aborigines left (despite successive state and federal governments trying to protect them) and the ones who are left, still living in tribes on their tribal lands, are the ones who are the most dysfunctional.

Bet they didn't teach you that at school, "Special Delivery"?

The history of the world reveals a very simple plan. He takes who has the power, he holds who can. And that applies to Australia. We are still a sparsely populated continent with massive resources that is a tempting target for any expansionist power who's education system encourages patriotism instead of self flagellation. The reason why North Korea, Iran, Syria, India, Pakistan, Israel, have either acquired or are trying to acquire nuclear weapons is because they know that nobody will take your defences seriously unless you have them. Australia just got directly threatened with nuclear weapons by a criminal regime. Unless we develop the means to respond then we are taking virtue signalling too far.
Posted by LEGO, Thursday, 11 July 2019 4:20:32 AM
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LEGO....you're full of YAP YAP YAP
So when as you say North Korea, Iran, Syria, India, Pakistan, Israel all indulged in acquiring Nuclear deterrents where was Australia?
I'll tell you where....out kissing arse...and it's still doing it.
Australia could have asked the US to park some of it's nuclear deterrents here just like it did in Israel.
Don't tell me that you believe, like the other yokels, that Israel built it's own bomb?
I don't recall Syria acquiring nuclear know how but the what's the harm in stretching the truth.
As far as the US is concerned if you're willing to pay they're happy to sell.
The UK is sill running around saying wha'happn'd, wha'happn'd
Now we could ask NK to supply some nukes and I'm sure they'd be happy to oblige.
Like I said before Australia is a hole in the ground and the US and UK is content to keep it that way....and so is Australia
So flag wave all you want you ain't gonna change one little thing....such is the power of LEGO
Posted by Special Delivery, Thursday, 11 July 2019 12:23:06 PM
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To Special Delivery

Take a look at the election results in the entire western world, where nationalistic and anti immigration parties are all in the ascendant. The left blew it. The times, they are, a changin', SP, and you are now a left wing conservative trying to prop up a failed leftist status quo ante. Right wingers are the new punk. It is the right who are the real smart guys, and it is the right defending freedom of speech while ANTIFA tries to shut it down.

Oh, and thank you, thank you, for calling me a "yokel." You see that is where the cultural divide exists. You have been conditioned to think that you are part of some fashionable Brahmin caste of young and intelligent trendy lefties who think that they are God's gift to the human race. While going on and on about "equality", you sure no how to look talk down to your inferiors.

My own conversion from a lefty to a righty came about when I realised that those who supported leftism were, like you, the biggest social snobs around. The graduate class socialite socialists got rich and now all they want to do now is virtue signal and pretend that they are better than everybody else. That is why you are losing the Australian working class who are turning from Labor to One Nation. Working people are fed up of the likes of Tanya Plibersec, Penny Wong, and Di Natale talking down to us, even trying to change the way we talk, while they strut and preen for the cameras.

So you hate the yanks, your country, your people, your flag, and your culture? How very fashionably cool of you. I'll bet you advocate for refugees, open borders, aborigines, republic, reconciliation, and Human Induced Climate Change, because the Brahmin that you aspire to be a part of expects that of you? And if you don't believe in every one of those things, then you had better keep your mouth shut or you will be caste among the bogans for conduct unbecoming an ideological zealot.
Posted by LEGO, Thursday, 11 July 2019 6:49:55 PM
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The unfortunate thing about fishing is that you don't always like what you catch....something you must be quite familiar with.
'Hate' requires energy and I have no intention of wasting any especially on those who propose to 'know' but in fact know nothing other that what justifies their believes.
It is said that if you argue with a fool you will always lose.....guess that means you win!
Posted by Special Delivery, Friday, 12 July 2019 10:03:35 PM
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