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Jordan Peterson gets it wrong on inequality : Comments

By Tristan Ewins, published 4/7/2019

Peterson argues that ‘the Equity Doctrine …. has gone too far’.

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"would remain differences of remuneration based on skill, effort, and the undesirable and unpleasant nature of some labour."

Coming back to reality Tristan?
- That sounds like Capitalism -
Posted by Armchair Critic, Thursday, 4 July 2019 2:05:04 PM
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These Socialist Lefties for "Equality" may be a few Fries Short of Happy Meal

but you've got to admire their sincerely held intellectual honesty in supporting Stalin all through his purges, enforced famines

and sundry mass murders http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Stalin#Death_toll_and_allegations_of_genocide

Not to mention such Lefties being the perpetual pawns of Soviet-Russian propaganda, right up to the Putin day.

Who wouldn't be impressed with the "Internationalist" Kommunist Lefties sincere pacifism - in backing up the "Stalin-Hitler Pact"

of World War Two http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molotov%E2%80%93Ribbentrop_Pact
Posted by plantagenet, Thursday, 4 July 2019 2:15:24 PM
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Socialism may be fairer than capitalism, but less fair or equitable than cooperative capitalism!

Co-ops by their very nature, fairer than socialism and have no need of outside intervention by entities like unions for the workforce to get an extremely fair shake!

Provide a much fairer share of the corporate profits they create. But never ever demand more from the enterprise than it can safely carry, share the good times and the downturn equally. Because the workforce/shareholders have real skin in the game!

Unlike socialism, do not carry the dead weight of indolent drones and control freaks! Never get too big to fail, are far and away, the most productive and efficient business model!

Were we ever rational enough to preference (facilitate, fund) cooperative capitalism over all other investment/business models, we'd go from strength to strength! Turbocharge the economy!

Co-ops stood alone as almost the only free market, private enterprise, business models that survived the Great Depression, largely intact.

Where they dominate the business landscape, recycle the same money over and over, making every one dollar do the economic work of seven or more, via the usual economic flow-on factors.

Both communism and extreme capitalism require slaves for their success/survival. Carry unproductive drones!

Rogue Bosses in the first instance, blaming everyone and everything else for their all too often poor results/failures!

Communism carries deadbeat drones and no incentives or tangible reward to produce! Make one job carry three workers, have endless demarkation disputes and far too many chiefs and few too Indians.

We are not just stalled where we are, but the corporate cowboys at the helm can only apply more of the same old, same old failed paradigms of the past to further exacerbate rather than fix our raft of failures/problems/divisions!
Alan B.
Posted by Alan B., Thursday, 4 July 2019 2:56:14 PM
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Of course socialists don't believe in absolute equality, Tristan. The first thing I learned after figuring out that socialism is a joke, is that the ones going on, and on, about "equality" were the biggest snobs around. They were socialite socialists who really knew how to look down on their inferiors. The strangest thing about socialism is how it appeals to the progeny of the middle classes, and to rich celebrities? Perhaps they are just championing an egalitarian society to compensate for the fact that they not only were born with silver spoons in their mouths, they got the whole silver service?

Phd's defending International Socialism is like feminists defending Islam. Or Jews defending National Socialism. Still, you sure stick out from the crowd if you do that, and I think that is the point. Socialite socialists think they are intellectually superior to the lower classes, and morally superior to the upper classes, who are usually their parents.

Let's see how Tristam's socialism is working out now.

Cuba People have to bring their own blankets and lightbulbs when they go to hospital.

Venezuela. Government has taken over 1800 business and the average Venezualan has lost 7 kilograms in weight since the socialists took over. Critics are murdered.

Britain. Public health system now so bad that bureaucrats are deciding who gets medical care and lives, and who does not and dies.

"Democratic socialism" usually means one person one vote, once. When everything goes south, democratic socialism turns into good old regular socialism, where as Stalin once quipped "It doesn't matter who votes, it only matters who counts the votes."

Bernie Sanders was quoted as saying that Venezuela was a socialist miracle which was putting America to shame. He remarked after Hugo Chavez took over, "Look at Venezuela now!" Yeah, look at it now.

Of all the modern innovations which define the modern world today, internet, computers, Iphones, forensic DNA testing, and even going back in history to include steam engines, railways, motor cars, photography, telephones, radio, radar, jet engines, flight, and electricity, how many were invented in socialist countries?

Answer, none.
Posted by LEGO, Thursday, 4 July 2019 3:06:19 PM
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Mr Ewins writes, "Here's to genuine equality of opportunity, and to such a degree of economic equality that would put paid to 'the capitalist aristocracy', lift working people and all citizens up from exploitation and poverty, and empower ordinary citizens in democracy."

Yeah, you go for it comrade! Bring on the Gulags and firing squads. Let's make 'the capitalist aristocracy' pay. Make them pay in blood. That's the way of Marx. Destroy civilisation. Praise Satan and all the evil we can spread around the world. Just like Antifa. That's the way to do it. Bully and bash.

But then, what would I know? I'm just one of those idiots who Peterson's references appeal to, you know, the easily convinced and ideologically prejudiced deplorable moron, apparently. I'm not like yourself who has a PhD in academic group-think compliance and socially immoral eliteness. Obviously I'm one of the expendables. I do my thinking independently. How can I fit in with your empowered ordinary sheeple citizens? Where do I fit in? I don't, do I? So I'm one of the people to be eliminated.

I don't want other people's wealth. I know the taste of poverty, but I'm not exploited. I make sure of that. I want my own happiness, richer or poorer. Above all else in life, I want freedom. So, what about freedom Mr Ewins? It didn't appear once in your rant. I know, I searched for it. It's not there. How do I fit in with your communist manifesto of greed and blood soaked glory?

You listen up here Mr Ewins, I won't be giving up my freedom for you or anyone else without a fight. You just come and try, bring it on mate. Marxism is slavery and I think you wish to be the slave master with the lie of empowering ordinary citizens in democracy. The only people who would get sucked in by that lie are those who are easily convinced and ideologically prejudiced.
Posted by voxUnius, Thursday, 4 July 2019 3:40:51 PM
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Lego and VoxUnis don't understand where I'm coming from. Rosa Luxemburg, Karl Kautsky, Eduard Bernstein, Julius Martov - were all Marxists and strong critics of Lenin at the same time. That's close to where I'm coming from. But I'm interested in ethics too ; so I'm also inclined to look to the Neo-Kantians as well. I'm not a philosophical materialist or an atheist either. VoxUnis ; I'm not going you for lack of an academic background ; but look into things before judging. The Nordics never had 'Gulags'. The Critical Theorists were always against Stalinism. I've said again and again that I think parts of the Left enforce internal conformity through the threat of ostracism. I think that's wrong. But the Right ostracises and bullies its enemies as well. But - just like Peterson - you're judging all socialist politics through the example of Stalinism. I'd bet you don't know the first thing about the people I mentioned and what they stood for. I don't think the Venezuelan Government is ideal either ; though it achieved good things under Chavez ; but we've seen this before with Chile and Allende. I say stop the sanctions, let things settle down , then have UN-supervised elections. I say no to an invasion or a coup.

Just off the top of my head the Soviets invented the first Satellite. Saab and Volvo were prestigious and successful Swedish brands during the socialist years.

You want to know my sympathies: look to the Austro-Marxists ; especially during the 1917-1934 period. They believed in 'revolutionary reforms' and a 'democratic path to socialism'. They failed only because of a Fascist coup ; and the fact they left everything to negotiations and did not fight back until too late.
Posted by Tristan Ewins, Thursday, 4 July 2019 4:10:52 PM
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