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Liturgical re-enchantment : Comments

By Peter Sellick, published 20/6/2019

The worship of the Church remakes an enchanted word in which strangers from another time and place become our forefathers and in which God comes to dwell with His people.

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I love it how you "keep on keep'n on" Peter Sellick. I'm highly amused.

I actually love reading your stuff!

Dan.
Posted by diver dan, Thursday, 20 June 2019 9:01:10 AM
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It is beyond belief that people in this day and age can believe this nonsense.
There is absolutely no evidence for the existence of a God.
There is absolutely no evidence that Jesus ever existed.
Through evidence men have been to moon.
Through evidence we have much safer motor cars. Nothing to do with the liturgy of any deity or presence of a person with a church.
Believing that men can walk on water, raise the dead, does not give us a deeper view of the human estate..
Peter you have a way with words which I envy. Please do not waist your time on this nonsense. Use it to write a fiction book you could make a fortune.
Posted by TheAtheist, Thursday, 20 June 2019 5:02:54 PM
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Pull the other one!

Did Jesus really have a Yorkshire accent? http://youtu.be/YP2KDUiBI-E
Posted by plantagenet, Thursday, 20 June 2019 5:21:12 PM
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TheAtheist,

I think there is a colon missing at the end of your first sentence.
Posted by George, Thursday, 20 June 2019 7:27:33 PM
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George.

Your right, but I can see the colon from underneath, it's disguised with an innovation at the end of it which makes it waterproof! :-)).
Posted by diver dan, Thursday, 20 June 2019 8:14:02 PM
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I've read this article, and although I'm not sceptical about its focus, I think worshiping in this way actually divorces the congregation from the walk in the real world, where everyday life goes on.

Rome always fought against the reformation at this point, (as did its reluctant English tear-away). It constantly attempted to relegate the congregation to subservience to the rule of the church, by such means as fear of loss and disguising the gospel message behind a veil of Latin.

England had abandoned Latin as its literary language in the fourteenth century. (Chaucer).
Continuation of it in worship in modern times, simply attempts to reinforce the false notion of superiority of the clergy and a subservience of the people. It's an elitism which Christ would actually frown upon.

The modern Church is fundamentalist and successful, for the same reason that reformists succeeded against Rome. It preached the simple undisguised scriptural message, in everyday language straight from the bible.

I don't subscribe to elitism, as romantic as it may sound to some.

Dan.
Posted by diver dan, Thursday, 20 June 2019 9:00:09 PM
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The Atheist,

You said, "There is absolutely no evidence that Jesus ever existed."

From pro comments'

"About 20 years after Josephus we have the Roman politicians Pliny and Tacitus, who held some of the highest offices of state at the beginning of the second century AD. From Tacitus, we learn that Jesus was executed while Pontius Pilate was the Roman prefect in charge of Judaea (AD26-36) and Tiberius was emperor (AD14-37) – reports that fit with the timeframe of the gospels. Pliny contributes the information that, where he was governor in northern Turkey, Christians worshipped Christ as a god. Neither of them liked Christians – Pliny writes of their “pig-headed obstinacy” and Tacitus calls their religion a destructive superstition."
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/apr/14/what-is-the-historical-evidence-that-jesus-christ-lived-and-died

Care to comment?
Posted by Is Mise, Saturday, 22 June 2019 8:00:44 PM
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The Guardian, really.
You really need to read more widely.
Posted by TheAtheist, Sunday, 23 June 2019 5:25:34 PM
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Peter, If religious tradition and liturgy makes your wife and yourself happy, indulge by all means. However, your pleasure in it does not give you a licence to try to impose it on others who do not share in the underlying mythology of religions per se. The world had better face up to the decreasing belief in the mythology underpinning all mainstream religions and find ways to adjust the regulation of society to traditions, culture and relative moralities that are broadly accepted. Political correctness is NOT one of these by the way.
Posted by Pliny of Perth, Monday, 24 June 2019 12:22:27 PM
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TheAtheist,

"The Guardian, really.
You really need to read more widely."

So you can't refute the reference, and you really need to improve your written English, the first 'really', in the quote is really superfluous.
Posted by Is Mise, Wednesday, 26 June 2019 9:23:09 AM
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I never claimed to be an orator.
The guardian is a known Theist sympathizer.
Check the source yourself without your religious blinkers on.
Posted by TheAtheist, Wednesday, 26 June 2019 5:21:40 PM
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TheAtheist,

I read Tacitus and Pliny years ago when doing Ancient History;
do you think that those two made it up?
Posted by Is Mise, Wednesday, 26 June 2019 10:24:30 PM
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Cornelius Tacitus (/ˈtæsɪtəs/; Classical Latin: [ˈtakɪtʊs]; c.  56 – c.  120 AD) Born after Christ's death. Therefore second hand

Gaius Plinius Secundus, AD 23–79) was Ten years old when Christ Died and lived in Rome. Therefore also another second hand account,

Neither of these are therefore very reliable.
Posted by TheAtheist, Thursday, 27 June 2019 7:27:50 PM
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TheAtheist,

Your reasoning is on a par with your ability to make a coherent post; what's with all the numbers etc?
Posted by Is Mise, Friday, 28 June 2019 10:08:27 PM
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