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Freedoms religious and social: an Australian stock-take : Comments

By Andrew Cameron, published 10/5/2019

.... social hostilities have a habit of crystallising upward into the policies and laws that order our common life

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Many more people would take to the faith of Christianity if so many Christians weren't such hypocritical geed & power mongers !
Posted by individual, Sunday, 12 May 2019 9:35:23 PM
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Andrew,

<<Folau's paraphrase mentions the sexually immoral ("fornicators"), adulterers, homosexuals, thieves, drunkards, idolaters, liars and adds "atheists", with hell awaiting them all. The Folau list is weighted a tad more toward sexual sin than are the originals.>>

That's because Folau is citing from 1 Corinthians 6:9-10 and not 1 Cor 8:9-10 (as you stated).

He told Player's Voice that in a comments' section to another of his Instagram posts, he was asked "a question by somebody about what Godís plan is for gay people. My response to the question is what I believe Godís plan is for all sinners, according to my understanding of my Bible teachings, specifically 1 Corinthians 6:9-10". See: http://www.playersvoice.com.au/israel-folau-im-a-sinner-too/.

<<On the face of it Folau exemplifies an evangelical Christianity that was common in the West for several centuries and regarded only lately by educated Anglo-Australians as a dotty oddity. It is still common in several cultures, such as Folau's native Tonga.>>

Instead, Folau represents an evangelical, Bible-based Christianity that is thriving in Australia and worldwide. The Sydney diocese of the Anglican Church in 2019 is evangelical, as are some Anglican churches in the Melbourne diocese. Baptists, Churches of Christ, Presbyterians, Salvation Army and Pentecostals are evangelicals. There are approx. 100 million Christians in China. Two-thirds of them are in house churches: http://www.christianitytoday.com/edstetzer/2017/june/china-house-churches-and-growth-of-kingdom.html.

And I haven't mentioned evangelical Christian growth in Africa and Americas!

Instead of being a 'dotty oddity', evangelical Christianity thrives worldwide, including in Australia. That's your disparaging, pejorative comment about a brand of Christianity about which you do not approve.

So, evangelical Christianity is <<regarded only lately by educated Anglo-Australians as a dotty oddity>>.

You're playing an out of tune harp! We have or had evangelical scholars in Australia. I think of ancient historian and former Anglican bishop, Dr Paul Barnett; exegetical scholar the late Dr Leon Morris. Overseas in last and this century I think of Drs F F Bruce, W F Albright, Harold Ockenga, Carl F H Henry, Bruce M Metzger, Gleason Archer, William L Craig, Wayne Grudem, Craig Blomberg, Kenneth Kitchen, Gordon D Fee - to mention a few.
Posted by OzSpen, Sunday, 12 May 2019 10:21:31 PM
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'Many more people would take to the faith of Christianity if so many Christians weren't such hypocritical geed & power mongers !'

I doubt it Individual. Jesus told exactly why many don't believe. Simply the Light came into the world and men loved darkness more (John 3:17). Pathetic excuses about other people's hypocrisy really is very lame.
Posted by runner, Sunday, 12 May 2019 10:30:38 PM
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I doubt it Individual.
runner,
In my book that denial of fact makes you as guilty as you can possibly be ! I'm sorry but I simply can not look at it from any other perspective. As the saying goes "Bad things happen when good people do nothing". Not accepting blinding evidence is akin to do nothing.
Posted by individual, Monday, 13 May 2019 7:09:12 AM
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well Individual you show you are willing to live a lie by denying your Creator and potential Saviour. People refusing forgiveness from their sin and corruption and eternal life from Christ because of other people's sin is very irrational.
Posted by runner, Monday, 13 May 2019 4:29:31 PM
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To Individual.

You said:

<<Many more people would take to the faith of Christianity if so many Christians weren't such hypocritical geed & power mongers !>>

Christians aren't perfect, once they become Christian. One thing with this is an attitude of judging that is overwhelming sometimes. I've seen it a few times in the church population, and heard about it more from those who've had bad run ins at one church or another. The attitude to reject and judge harshly against a person in the church that messed up. I've got an issue with this attitude within the church. So I'll try to explain it better for a nonbeliever as well.

At least part of the population of Christianity is those who know their need for Jesus, because of the sins they do. Greed, hypocrisy, and power mongering are only a few of these issues. There is also the drug dealer, the adulterer, the one with anger issues, and so many more that realize that life is out of control and they need help.

You can't get rid of the "bad Christians" because the whole point of Jesus coming to save us is that we were unable to save ourselves. The hope is that for any Christian, as time goes on they become better. They will be able to resend and turn from their sins better instead of going right back into them. However in my opinion the church is for those who know their need for Jesus, more so then those who are already perfect and follow the instructions Jesus taught.

Just something to think about. Agreeing with what Runner said. Bad apples should not be the reason to dismiss everything. Especially if bad apples are the people who God searches to redeem and to save. There are other excuses to reject Christianity's message. But the underlying part is that they reject Jesus, because they can not or don't want to let go of the darkness in their life. They love the darkness more then the light. Everything else is part of an excuse to reject Jesus.
Posted by Not_Now.Soon, Tuesday, 14 May 2019 3:41:50 AM
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