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A Tasmanian Liberal conscience vote on transgender law reform will diffuse potential hate campaigns : Comments

By Rodney Croome, published 14/3/2019

A particularly nasty aspect of these rallies was how Liberal MPs sat in the front row applauding anti-gay speakers because the plan to decriminalise had been proposed by Labor and the Greens.

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People who must vent their spleens against Donald Trump every time they have a bad day should realise that the U.S voting system is the same for Democrats as it is for Republicans. We don’t hear this silly whining about a ‘faulty’ voting system when the Democrats win.

We should not be hearing this silly whining at all in Australia. America has a far bigger population than ours, with far, far more excellent brains, all seemingly happy with their system.

Even if they are not, I don’t think anyone in America is much interested the opinions of a pip-squeak poster in a country which has compulsory voting.

Southern Sceptic,

There has to be a limit to pandering to minorities in a democracy. Majority rule, remember? You might have your own private reasons for supporting Croome, but I doubt that gender-bending is a ‘right’. It might be consistent with ‘liberal’ values but not, I think, with Liberal values. If it is the latter, that will be one of the reasons that the Liberal party is going down the gurgler. You say that you are a ‘liberal party member’, but you don’t use a capital ‘L’, suggesting that either you don’t have much respect for the party you claim to be a member of; you are not a member of the party or, you are one of the members of the party who wants the Liberals to become small ‘l’ liberals, which the rats now leaving the sinking ship have already done a good job of moving it that way.
Posted by ttbn, Thursday, 14 March 2019 2:17:01 PM
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I like reading Foxy's contributions, because she is so funny. She just can't see the contradictions in her own logic.

Foxy starts of by telling us that one of the "prerequisites for democracy is a toleration of criticism and of dissenting opinions." OK girl, we are tolerating the opinions of these people. Ttbn and me not asking for biologically impossible "transgender " people to be jailed or shut up. Quite the contrary, it is the spokesperson for these "transgender" people who is demanding that the majority shut up. He supports extending the Tasmanian Human Rights legislation to extern beyond protecting races and ethnicities from hurt feelings, to so called "transgender" people.

This is on top of moves to extend protections on hurt feelings to Muslims, although presumably not to the Catholics who Foxy apparently despises. This is the one of the tactics of the left. Demand Human Rights for everybody, and then figure out how to do a bit of mission creep and extend it to every minority they seem to be enamoured with, and to hell with the majority.

Foxy's claim that Human Rights is to protect the minority from the "tyranny of the majority." Which if she ever thought to think beyond her slogan she would realise that in a democracy, that is just simply idiotic. What does she prefer, the tyranny of the minority instead? Well happily for Foxy, there is no end of countries on planet Earth where the leaders think just like Foxy does. Although strangely, she prefers not to live in them.

Abraham Lincoln noticed that there seemed to exist in US society people who always took the minority view over the majority, as their default position. Abe quipped "Is the majority always drunk?"

Foxy goes on to tell us how change is automatically a good thing. The Germans changed in 1932 from democracy to a nationalist form of socialism. Did that improve things for them? How about the changes in North Korea and Cambodia? Things changed in Venezuela and 3 million people have fled the joint
Posted by LEGO, Thursday, 14 March 2019 6:16:50 PM
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Sorry Rodney: Transgender is a fabricated illusion.

"There are 37.2 trillion c8ells in your body.”
http://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/there-are-372-trillion-cells-in-your-body-4941473/

“In humans, each cell normally contains 23 pairs of chromosomes, for a total of 46. Twenty-two of these pairs, called autosomes, look the same in both males and females. The 23rd pair, the sex chromosomes, differ between males and females. Females have two copies of the X chromosome, while males have one X and one Y chromosome.”
http://www.ghr.nlm.nih.gov/primer/basics/howmanychromosomes
Posted by elizabeth4, Thursday, 14 March 2019 7:18:56 PM
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Read the many stories of transgengers who have regretted their transition.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Detransition

Preferably read it asap before the LGBT Wikipedia editors (once again) remove these stories.
Posted by elizabeth4, Thursday, 14 March 2019 7:59:21 PM
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Foxy.
Don't know why you bother luv. Casting your pearls before these oink oinkers?

As always your logic and eyewitness accounts fall on the deaf ears of willfully blind ideologues. Unchangeable in their rigidity!

Pope Francis reportedly notes that Pell is very rigid (CC SSM etc.) and that rigidity hides something? A double life perhaps? And I paraphrase.

Vociferous in their megaphone condemnation of S.S.M., C.C., gender equality etc-etc.

One also notes that closet gays/pious hypocrites are the loudest in their denial of homosexuality as a normal human aberration. And butch it up to the max!? As they deny their own sexual nature?
Cheers, Alan B
Posted by Alan B., Thursday, 14 March 2019 10:39:48 PM
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«They had their identities and rights demonised during the postal survey.»

Perhaps rights, but identity? What's this nonsense?!

Identity means that two mentioned things are in fact one.
Sexual/gender proclivities are a property of our bodies, brain, hormones, genetics, environment, etc.
Yes, we are somehow mysteriously related to our bodies, yet we are not our bodies, hence it is gravely mistaken to equate our body's properties with ourselves.

Otherwise, I agree with the article that the state should not register our body's gender (I would go further and claim that it has no right to register our birth to begin with, but that's for another day). It could perhaps have been previously justified on the grounds that sexual organs can help identify criminals (and then the mental attitude about gender wouldn't matter anyway), but in the age of biometry this has become obsolete, no longer an excuse.
Posted by Yuyutsu, Thursday, 14 March 2019 11:29:14 PM
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