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United Nations weaponizes Hamas as Trump, EU and Israel reel : Comments

By David Singer, published 13/12/2018

106 UN members had weaponized Hamas, abandoned the civilian population of a fellow member state and set a procedural precedent that the Islamic bloc will exploit again.

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Not_Now.Soon

- I think its about time EVERYONE looked at the facts. -

Israel Went About Things the Wrong way from Day Dot.
http://www.inminds.com/jews-of-iraq.html

The Maps Tell The REAL STORY.
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/mapstellstory.html

Zionist Terrorism (what you need to know)
http://youtu.be/cZyCSb98eTo

Compare these numbers you fool
http://israelpalestinenews.org/latest-news-on-great-march-of-return-in-gaza-constantly-updated/

http://electronicintifada.net/
http://www.palestinechronicle.com/
http://english.pnn.ps/

And seriously, you don't want to mess with me over Russia or Ukraine.
- Learn the facts -
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=8358&page=0
WAR ALERT - Russia & Ukraine Preparing for Full Scale Conflict
http://youtu.be/ucni4znC1IU

Come back to me when you've learned more.

This is what you support
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rthUyt0e-tY
Posted by Armchair Critic, Tuesday, 18 December 2018 5:36:57 AM
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//•Regarding water responsibilities and the Palestinians responsibilities for their own water. (Even includes numbers of aid donations specified for water facilities that are unused).

http://www.thetower.org/article/the-myth-of-the-thirsty-palestinian/

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I didn't bother reading your article, NNS. I took the liberty of checking out the source first:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Tower_Magazine

You must think we're really gullible down here in the antipodes.

I'm going to mark that as a 'non-serious attempt' and allow to have another try.

But I would ask you to reflect on the fact the sources I used were not pro-Palestinian propaganda rags with a dog in the fight, and to show the same level of respect for your opponents.
Posted by Toni Lavis, Tuesday, 18 December 2018 6:58:18 AM
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Dear Not_Now.Soon,

You still haven't answered my question, is a uniformed member of the occupation forces, within the occupied territories, a legitimate target of those resisting that occupation?

Following on from that do you deem an attack on a uniformed member of the occupation forces, within the occupied territories, an act of terror? If so why?

Secondly just to explore how even handed you are over 30 billion of the aid that went to Israel from the US over the last 10 years was spent by the Israelis on military hardware, much of it used to suppress those resisting the occupation of their land.

Do you see this as a legitimate use of that aid money? If so why?
Posted by SteeleRedux, Tuesday, 18 December 2018 9:31:50 AM
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To SteeleRedux,

With your question on the aid money given to Israel and it's use, I googled it with the question "how is aid money used in Israel?"

This is one online discussion of answers to a similar question which I think gives several answers that answers your question on US aid to Israel. Check it out. It's not the most encouraging answers to consider when thinking on world interests in international affairs, and most while giving a rational response don't give the reasons to be humanitarian in nature as the aid was suppose to be for Palestine. But they give good reasons that open the eyes of international affairs.

Two answers of note. One spoke of the six day war that Israel fought and won before any nation took notice of them (including the US). Israel won and then the US saw reason to get closer to Israel. A second answer was repeated among many of those answers. The aid is a direct result of a peace deal brokered by the US between Israel and Egypt. Similar aid goes to Egypt for a similar purpose.

https://www.quora.com/Why-does-the-US-give-so-much-foreign-aid-to-a-rich-country-like-Israel-over-poorer-more-needy-countries
Posted by Not_Now.Soon, Wednesday, 19 December 2018 4:00:51 AM
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Also to SteeleRedux

Regarding your question on Israel targets, it's my understanding that since Israel is on all it's borders chanted with the same line to "destroy Israel," that as a consequence Israel is highly militarized in the population requiring to serve in the military for at least a few years. This understanding of a necessary arrangement for the well being of its citizens also make the targets of Israel essentially anyone and everyone who is Israeli. This includes uninformed targets and pregnant women. As well as anyone who is near a uniformed target. The point you have on soft targets essentially make all of Israeli citizens as fair game to kill. Not a point I agree with or will support.

However if it's a questions game, I have a counter question for you.

Why should anyone trust Palestine leaders? I mean it. Over the years of watching the conflict in Israel and Palestine, I have seen images and articles that voice the plight of Palestinians that tug on anyone's heart. Then just weeks later or months later Palestine leaders, protesters, or terrorists in civilian clothes do an act of terror. If that doesn't rob any credibility towards PLO and Hamas, then the articles I've posted regarding how Palestine uses aid money or even is engrossed in drug trafficking to fund it's leaders lifestyles and it's war on Israel.

The question again. How and why do you trust Palestine leaders at all to trust their narrative? If you have reasons let me know. Better reasons then hating Israel. With reasons like that it would be easier to say to not support Israel or Palestine. Instead the three of you all supportable believe Palestine stories in the wakes of their corruptions and lies continually found more and more. Why?

To Toni and Armchair Critic. Same question above. Why do you trust Palestine leaders or trust the narrative that comes from those leaders? (Again lack of support for Israel is not a good enough reason, when you actively support PLO and Hamas. You could just say you don't support either side.)
Posted by Not_Now.Soon, Wednesday, 19 December 2018 4:05:52 AM
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Also to Armchair Critic.

You gave a lot of information which I am considering. I'll have to get back to you later regarding it for a response, but I wanted to say thanks for providing it. As for Russia. That's not a focus I have for this conversation. I used Russia as an example of an aggressive state as opposed to a terrorist state. If that was a bad example then consider the point without that example. For instance consider the other example given that was China as an aggressive state. If Palestine took the measures to look after it's population then That would change my evaluation a little bit of how I see PLO and Hamas. As of now they recieve enough aid internationally to do some advancement in the lives of the Palestinians or the developement and infrastructure of their land. I have seen no evidance that they do this, but instead con the international community for aid on one purpose and use the aid for another. They act as terrorists.

However if you want to point yo Israel being terrorists as well, so be it. I still see Israel looking after it's citizens, I don't see that with PLO or Hamas. At best the argument Israel is aggressive to it's neighbor and to Palestine. The counter arguments to that though is that if Israel wasn't standing up for itself it would be destroyed. Israel's neighbor's have all tried to destroy Israel at least once, and most of those neighbors still do, as well as televise threats against Israel. If there was a peaceful solution addressed I'd like to see more details of that interaction.

I will consider your points on Israel aggression.
Posted by Not_Now.Soon, Wednesday, 19 December 2018 4:23:45 AM
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