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Multicultural conflict and the challenge to the rule of law : Comments

By Laurence Maher, published 30/11/2018

Fifty years ago nobody could have predicted that Australia, along with comparable nations, would have adopted the elaborate ideological Western belief system that is contemporary multiculturalism.

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...* By way of contrast, a statement released on 10 March 2017 by the Australian National Council of Imans making clear in stern terms that homosexuality is a forbidden action and is a major sin has attracted almost, no mass media attention...*

Exactly: that is reason enough to encourage higher Muslim immigration into Australia.
This can be achieved with a more friendly approach to Indonesia and freer restrictions on Visa applications for Indonesians.
Posted by diver dan, Friday, 30 November 2018 9:21:09 AM
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Excellent article, Laurence Maher.

Multiculturalism has become a state sanctioned ideology which under 18C legislation is now beyond criticism. It is interesting to speculate how any western democracy could be hoodwinked by their own political class to accept what resembles a state religion that is beyond criticism.

For all of you left wing social justice warrior types who have been brainwashed into thinking that advocating and supporting open borders and multiculturalism is what "intelligent" people do, just think about what jest happens to be a self evident truth.

The entire history of western enlightenment rested upon this truth. Intelligent people in the west have always believed that the insistence that a subject never be discussed, is proof that it is intellectually bankrupt.

How is it that you consider yourself intelligent, when you are supporting the tactics of the Holy Roman Church of 1600, which insisted that Earth was the centre of the universe, the Earth was flat, the sun was not a star, and that anyone who opposed that holy writ should be shown the instruments of torture to shut them up?
Posted by LEGO, Friday, 30 November 2018 10:46:15 AM
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the Holy Roman Church of 1600, which insisted that Earth was the centre of the universe,
LEGO,
Now, 400 years later it's Academia that insists they're the centre of the universe & the earth can cope with many more humans.
Posted by individual, Friday, 30 November 2018 11:05:17 AM
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Australian Democracy , huh? "Elizabeth the Second, by the Grace of God, of Her other Realms and Territories Queen, Head of the Commonwealth, Defender of the Faith". Our head of the democratic state was forbidden to marry a Catholic and the Liberals are as faithful as any Muslim: " Reaffirming the reliance on Divine Providence proclaimed by our forefathers in the Preamble to the Commonwealth of Australia Constitution Act, 1900 —
'Whereas the people .. . humbly relying on the blessing of Almighty God, have agreed to unite in one indissoluble Federal Commonwealth under the Crown ... " the Liberal Party of Australia presents this Platform as a programme for a people whose highest ideals are inspired by a belief in God."

The rule of Law is submission to the will of God , his chosen anointed monarch and the divine Liberal hierarchy so please donate liberally now and for evermore , your sins are forgiven .
Posted by nicknamenick, Friday, 30 November 2018 12:30:42 PM
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Notwithstanding the atrocities of some Muslim sects that force themselves on everyone around them, simply because they can, the Western "rule of law" cult does exactly the same and they don't even require a divine revelation to justify it - they've got the guns, which for them is sufficient.

The author, being a barrister, lives off the spoils of their violence.
Posted by Yuyutsu, Friday, 30 November 2018 1:33:52 PM
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Yuyutsu,
The rule of law is not a cult; it's the best way we have of preventing violence.
Posted by Aidan, Friday, 30 November 2018 1:57:45 PM
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OK Yuyutsu.

You don't like the western concept of the rule of law, which is based upon the separation of powers, and from the primacy of secular law initiated by a people's parliament.

So,in which nation do you live?

If you live in Australia, and don't like the way we rule ourselves, it's a free country, and nobody will stop you from going to an airport.
Posted by LEGO, Friday, 30 November 2018 1:58:15 PM
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Dear Aidan,

«The rule of law is not a cult; it's the best way we have of preventing violence.»

Fighting violence with violence, as in "fighting fire with fire"?

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Dear LEGO,

If something is morally repugnant, then I ought to point it out - what's that to do with my personal preferences and lifestyle, likes and dislikes?

«You don't like the western concept of the rule of law, which is based upon the separation of powers»

This separation is not an issue, but using one's powers against innocent others is.

Organising your group of people as a nation, of whatever constitution, does not exempt you from basic morality.

«So,in which nation do you live?»

I live on this planet, I don't believe in nations.

«it's a free country»

For wallabies, seals and dingos, perhaps. At least THEY are not subject to human-made laws.

... or paperwork: What do you say for this? http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-11-28/into-the-wild:-what-to-consider-before-going-off-grid/10472884

«nobody will stop you from going to an airport.»

Oh really? They may allow me to use the airport's shops, receive others and see them off, but without their proper paperwork and complying with their body-searches they won't allow me to use the airport's primary purpose.
Posted by Yuyutsu, Friday, 30 November 2018 2:30:53 PM
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On 4 May 1493 Pope Alexander VI , decreed in the bull Inter caetera that all lands west the Azores should belong to Spain . Pope Julius II by means of the bull Ea quae pro bono pacis of 24 January 1506 sanctioned Portuguese rule eastwards . The hemispheres met at a line from the Japanese island of Hokkaido through the eastern end of New Guinea giving Australia to Portugal. Cardinal Pell is open to any calls for compensation , paid through his Vatican bank with cheques endorsed "cash".
Posted by nicknamenick, Friday, 30 November 2018 2:37:28 PM
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Fifty years ago there are a lot of things we wouldn't have predicted! The progressive dismantling of cooperative capitalism and replacing that model and by and large the family farm with privatisation/corporate farming!

No one would have predicted how much of our essential service and power delivery would be privatised along with our bank, airline and our telco etc., all to satisfy the whim and caprice of rank tin-eared idealogues. Who probably don't possess a pragmatic bone between them and are so far divorced from reality and the nation? They have managed to look after their own interests quite magnificently while selling ours down the river.

The in your face irrefutable evidence is, we were once the third wealthiest nation on the planet and a creditor one at that. And one with a robust manufacturing arm that toward the latter years produced cars the equal of the finest imports!

Today these same old ideologues still resist actually addressing climate change with the only card on the table that quite massively grows the economy, without really trying.

That card is the nuclear MSR thorium option and a fist full of economic aces if it is coupled to government funded and facilitated cooperative capitalism. What we never ever did need was foreign coal miners coming here and getting extremely rich while we worked for wages as mere tenants in our own country or pits!

These same vile idealogues are rolling out the red carpet for more entirely unnecessary foreign investment/rapacious foreign miners.
Alan B.
Posted by Alan B., Friday, 30 November 2018 3:53:17 PM
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The rottenness and junk way in which they carbs on your body state they work is managed fats is obstructed body starts devouring by the affirmation of change . With the years in the body cut down carb affirmation into and the of carbs .
Posted by nicknamenick, Friday, 30 November 2018 5:31:30 PM
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To Alan B

You are suggesting that Australia was more socialist and more prosperous fifty years ago. I am on Planet earth, which planet do you inhabit?

The always on strike, overmanned, union dominated, and featherbedded government owned railways, airlines (TAA), power industries (boy, I could tell you some stories about those parasites), postal, and telecommunications industries were legendary drains on the Australian taxpayer. As socialists kept dreaming up ways to tax the productive to buy the votes of the non productive and the counter productive, it became absolutely necessary for even state and federal Labor governments to divest themselves of these grossly inefficient publically owned companies. If they hadn't, our social security would have collapsed years ago.

Perhaps you are from a parallel universe?

The seductive message of socialism has always been, that the public should get lots of free stuff. It is the rotten right wingers who are stopping the public from getting lots of free stuff. That the public should get angry at the right wingers for not giving them free stuff. And if the public elects us socialists, we wonderful socialists will give you all the free stuff. Yay! Cheer! Go Bernie! Go Jeremy! This message seems to be working a treat with entitled millennials ignorant of history. Are you one of them?

Oh, and the standard excuse for why socialism failed in every country it was implemented in, was because "it has not been tried yet".

Still, if you continue to believe in the Human Induced Global Warming hoax, I suppose you will believe in anything. And on that topic, have you noticed how much of the media has gone from outright advocacy for HIGW, to a much more measured tone? That's because the know all, celebrity media stars are beginning to figure out that they were all conned, so they are starting to move to an impartial position. When it becomes undeniable that it was all a hoax, they can pretend that they knew that all along. And like past Australian socialist experiments, they will hope that Alan B does not remember.
Posted by LEGO, Saturday, 1 December 2018 9:24:37 AM
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Lego, not sure what you mean by a socialist. Perhaps you mean communist? We've never ever had any of them in our parliament Unless it was as former members who'd allegedly seen the light.

I certainly don't think, with the best will in the world, even someone as ideologically driven as you would attempt to reclassify, Sir Robert Menzies as a socialist. Albeit, Sir Joh once boosted and on the public record as saying, at heart, I am a social democrat.

Sir Robert was a liberal pragmatist. In his parliament a lot of goodwill and bipartisan pragmatism. A place that was awash with future vision and a genuine contest of ideas. Moreover, a place genuinely committed to real bona fide nation building. And presided over a post-war period of unprecedented prosperity that made us the third wealthiest nation-state on the planet, and a creditor one at that.

You as do all your ilk, confuse cooperative capitalism with socialism. And two very different animals. Suggest you take a day trip to Maleny, here in the Sunshine Coast hinterland to see what cooperative capitalism looks like. And how much better off the entire community is for it. Notwithstanding recent exploitative capitalism's attempts to elbow its way in/root the community/change the very attitudes/cooperative capitalism that made it the jewel in the crown of Queensland.

Cooperative capitalism is still welded to both free enterprise and free market competition. And remains a model that fully utilises all the flow on factors in an economy and one where one dollar does the work of seven or more and stays in the local economy until exhausted.

The one you and yours would sell off ASAP and to hell with the people and the nation!

And because that's happened in recent times, we're mired in huge debt and now rank down with a few banana republics at round number thirty and owe the world a debt far beyond the capacity of or grandkids to draw down. Have to hand it to you guys, you certainly know what you are doing!?
Alan B.
Posted by Alan B., Saturday, 1 December 2018 11:14:27 AM
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//«nobody will stop you from going to an airport.»

Oh really? They may allow me to use the airport's shops, receive others and see them off, but without their proper paperwork and complying with their body-searches they won't allow me to use the airport's primary purpose.//

Nobody will stop you building a flimsy raft and taking to the high seas, either. You're free to go whenever you want.
Posted by Toni Lavis, Saturday, 1 December 2018 2:35:33 PM
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Alan B

You submitted a post complaining that Australia had privatised state owned industries, and this you implied had made us much poorer. State control of the means of production, is one of the foundations stones of Socialism. That does not mean that Australia or any of it's states were socialist, but it was far more along the road to socialism than say, the USA. Australia's road building, telecommunications, ship building, electricity generation and distribution, postal service, airlines and railways, were all state controlled, and were shining examples of overmanning, featherbedding, waste, and inefficiency. If you are looking to the reason as to why Australia's prosperity ranking has slipped, then I suggest you look for other reasons.

Good reasons might start with the rise, and rise, of the welfare state, and a non discriminatory immigration policy that sees the importation of crime, terrorism and welfare prone ethnic groups. Add to that, useless state funded university courses such as "Gender Studies" that does nothing for productivity, but instead churns out thousands of entitled and unemployable diplomaed progressives who think that the western world is so awful it must be destroyed.

I take exception to you claiming that the privatisation of Federal and State businesses in Australia has made us poorer. Privatising industry increases efficiency and innovation, and every western nation has already figured that one out. Even Communist Russia and China have figured it out. Yet we still have people like yourself with this child like faith in the idea that state ownership of commerce is a good thing. And then you say that socialism, is bad. Are you just advocating both sides of the argument so that you can never be wrong?

You are one very confused young man.

It was just like in your previous posts where you said that you didn't like Islam, and then you defended Muslims.
Posted by LEGO, Saturday, 1 December 2018 4:17:44 PM
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Lego, you need to stop lecturing/verballing me with your revisionist view of factual history.

Am not a young man but one who remembers as a living witness things as far back as the forties. Without question, we were once the third wealthiest nation on planet earth and during that period of unprecedented prosperity!

One wage enough to purchase an affordable house, a serviceable motor vehicle, and feed clothe and educate a family of four. With enough left over for a modest annual family holiday.

Moreover, during this unprecedented period of post-war prosperity! Repeat, unprecedented period of post-war prosperity, we were not only the third wealthiest nation but a creditor one at that! But when fiscal illiterates like John Howard quote-unquote, got their hands on the nation's treasure and income earning assets, they squandered and blew it.

And in so doing changed our direction and prospects, every which way. I mean before his involved and the progressive dismantling of the last vestiges of cooperative capitalism, our dairy farmers were able to get a fair price for milk. which incidentally is now cheaper than bottled water!

Yes, we have come a long way since the seventies and most of it, all downhill. Now we have privatised and corporatised power and the highest power prices in the world?

Fully privatised banking and a list of corruption and abuse of power indictments as long a the river Nile.

And a generation who will for the first time in our history, worse off than the preceding generation, Record levels of homelessness and housing made so unaffordable only the privileged and rapacious avaricious landlords can afford their own!

Yes, we certainly have come a long way since the seventies and it been largely all downhill! No question!
Alan B.
Posted by Alan B., Sunday, 2 December 2018 10:26:30 AM
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To Alan B

I will stop lecturing you on Australian history, when you stop claiming that the privatization of formerly government owned businesses is the cause of Australia slipping from what you claimed was once the third wealthiest country on earth.

I have been around too. I remember the boys going to my high school on push bikes. Today, we are so wealthy that every high school is surrounded by cars with "P" plates on them. Even young girls, once dependent upon a boyfriend with a car, now drive their own cars. Most people bought second hand cars, worked on them, and serviced them themselves. It was not uncommon to see people washing and polishing cars 30 years old. Almost every car wrecker in Sydney has gone broke because people just don't buy parts for old cars anymore. There is hardly a car on Sydney's roads over 10 years old. It is not uncommon today for a household of four or five people to have a car for each person. Some poverty.

"Poor" people today sport consumer goods which would once have been entirely the preserve of the very wealthy. Air conditioned cars. Name brand clothes. Iphones. Adolescent girls wearing Manano Blanik heels and Prada sunglasses. I have cherished photo of my own mother as a barefoot adolescent girl in Kentucky, NSW.

The problem is not that Australia has gone backwards, but that the once very poor Asians have gone forwards. The problem with Australia is, that we have been so prosperous for so long, that people seem to think that wealth is a natural law of nature. They have lost the survival edge. Any type of organism which stops fighting to survive will die out. So we have these childish obsessions with nuclear power, greenhouse gases, gender neutral toilets, human rights, aboriginal recognition, and gay marriage.

We will still be arguing about the appropriateness of gender neutral pronouns when the first mass murder terrorist outrage in Australia kills 200 Aussies in one go, or when the first nuclear tipped ballistic missile from the mullahs in Iran hits us.
Posted by LEGO, Sunday, 2 December 2018 12:49:26 PM
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Alan B. and LEGO,

It's not as simple as "private is better than public" or vice versa. Certainly the public sector was very inefficient in the 1970s, But so was the private sector, with a wall of tariffs designed to keep inefficient industries afloat. Both the public and private sectors underwent massive reform in the 1980s, so we should be extremely wary of pre-1990 comparisons.

Also keep in mind that the headline statistics don't tell the full story. For example the railways used to play a huge training role (no pun intended) taking on far more apprentices than they actually needed, but most efficiency comparisons don't take that into account. I trust you aren't sufficiently stupid to infer from this paragraph that I doubt the bulk of efficiency savings were genuine.

The private sector has its advantages. It is IN GENERAL quicker to innovate and better at managing people than the public sector. But blindly assuming that to be the case is asking for trouble.

The private sector also has the disadvantage that efficiency savings may not be passed on to customers (though in some cases that's also true for public sector corporations). And there are some private sector operators who just try to make fast money, with no regard for long term value.

The public sector has the natural advantage of cheaper finance, but it can't always use it - sometimes the politicians stupidly block it, claiming it's unfair to private sector competitors. Worse still, in some cases the spending is under political control, resulting in many false economies (and much worse value for money than the private sector).

And finally there's timing to consider. It's generally a bad idea to privatise something just before a huge rise in value that would happen irrespective of ownership. Sydney Airport is the obvious example here.
Posted by Aidan, Sunday, 2 December 2018 10:08:52 PM
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To Aidan.

We are getting well off topic, but I will reply to your post because it is an interesting subject in it's own right.

The fact that private industry is better than public, is as immutable as the Law of Gravity. That does not mean that governments must never own industries themselves. One valid reason why governments do own industries is to provide essential services such as public transport, communications, power, postal services, and even (Australia only) banking services in sparsely populated but strategically important growth areas where commercial operators find it unprofitable at that point in time to do so.

In such scenarios, governments rationally accept the loss making arrangements for what they see is a greater future good.

Australia once had very high tariffs for very good reasons. Our governments wanted to create a manufacturing base in a huge country with a tiny population. Every free trade country on Earth has trade barriers, even though it complains about it's trading partner's trade barriers. The Chinese have become very rich enforcing their own trade barriers, while telling the rest of the world that there should be no barriers to their own goods. Fortunately, the USA has a President in businessman Donald Trump who was smart enough to impose trade barriers on China in retaliation. While the left screamed in froth mouthed apoplexy for him doing this, it now seems that the posturing, complaining, and threatening Chinese have caved right in.

Nice one, Donald. But don't expect the left wing mainstream media to give you the credit you deserve.

Many people think that Sweden is a socialist country, but is in fact more free market than the USA. That is because the Swedes tried the socialist formulae of public ownership of the means of production, through buying up industries with public money. But just like with their present insane immigration policies, and their idiotic policy to have a totally censorship free society, it all went south. It seems that even smart people have to teeter on idealistic precipices before they figure out what is good for them.
Posted by LEGO, Monday, 3 December 2018 5:22:46 AM
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Alan B and LEGO, your'e both right in most of your points, the one thing I believe was a big mistake was to sell off essential services.
We do not need the greed and averace of the politicians and their mates to become wealthier at our expense.
We are a captive audience and as such are held to ransom for over our dependence on essential services such as water, power, public transport etc.
Who authorised the sale of these assets?
I don't remember ever being asked if I wanted to sell them.
There is no doubt in my mind that even though you are both right in what you say, I cannot go to far from Alan's views that 'we' the people were much better off then than today.
I clearly remember leaving Aus to set up a new company abroad.
Two and a half years later, (July 1st. 1992) I returned to a changed country.
I don't know what it was, and still don't to this day, but Australia had changed, and for the worst.
It was as if someone had figured out that because the politicians were running the country and the public were in-effectual and lax or politically lazy, they found they could do pretty much what they wanted, so here were all these public assets which were begging to be 'stolen' by the scum and their mates, and we had to follow because we had no choice.
With so many left wing dreamers so busy becoming 'worldly', going out to the theatre, meeting up for double latte coffees's and all the the things that 'cool' contemporary people did, we took our eye off the money tin, and here we are today, homeless, and powerless, (pun intended).
As much as you both make valid arguments, we cannot escape the fact that WE, (the people) are worse off today than forty years ago.
I do agree that this is the 'entitled' generation and that they are living WAY beyond their means, but even taking that into consideration, we are worse off than before.
By far!
Posted by ALTRAV, Monday, 3 December 2018 9:30:57 AM
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As an electrician, I once worked as a contractor for the Electricity Commission during the construction of the Kemps Creek 330Kv switchyard.

There were 10 contract electricians constructing the yard, and 19 Elcom workers checking our connections. The yard had top priority and we were told it was imperative that the work be done as soon as possible. The Elcom workers arrived more or less on time every day, and then they went to sleep on the 1.2 meter x2.4 meter rubber mats that the control room instruments were packed in. Or they played cards or built plastic model airplanes in the crib room. No work started before midday. The Elcom supervisor was drunk every day. Every day he left site and went down to the local club and stayed there until 5PM, when he returned so that he could claim overtime.

We wired up the Cooma HV switchyard and we started at 7AM every Monday Morning, on site in Cooma. The Elcom workers started work at 7AM in Sydney and then drove to Cooma. After a long lunch halfway in Goulbourn, they arrived at Cooma and booked into their motel, just in time for the workday to end. Monday gone. On Fridays, they were off home at 9AM while we worked till 3PM. Our LOHA allowance was $98 dollars a week, theirs was $240 a week.

Then there was the famous event of the operator at Bayswater Power Station. The operator was manning a critical control console that ensured the safe workings of the steam turbines. He was found drunk, asleep at his post, and surrounded by beer cans. When woken he assaulted his supervisor and was sacked. His union had him reinstated on the grounds that while he admitted being asleep and surrounded by beer cans, it had not been established that he was drunk. The union also claimed that he was remorseful for the assault, so he must be reinstated. Cynical people thought his reinstatement was more to do with threats from his union to strike.

Your tax dollars at work.
Posted by LEGO, Monday, 3 December 2018 5:06:15 PM
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LEGO, I have witnessed the very same behaviour in other industries.
It happens in the private sector as well as the public sector, I always noticed it worse in the public sector, and yes far too much weight is given to the unions, and I have always said, the unions are to blame for the situation we are in today.
They have driven incomes too high so that we cannot value add anymore.
Just look back to how many thousands of people are jobless due to company closures because of the rising costs of production making us too expensive and un-productive, especially when comparing to Asia, China etc.
After a lifetime of hiring, firing or just being in business I have narrowed it down to one common denominator or factor;
The Australian people and their unrealistic and simplistic view on life and their priorities in life.
I grew up with the mantra; 'The Lucky Country'.
I remember thinking from time to time, how are we lucky?
The living conditions here were amongst the harshest in the world.
There was/is absolutely nothing about Australia that made it attractive as say, Europe, USA, nothing, you had to REALLY look hard to find even the smallest item of interest.
The tourist industry struggles impossibly to try to show Australia in any kind of 'good light'.
Let's face it, some white beaches, (some hard work to get to), a big rock in the middle of a desolate, hot, baron, dusty no-where.
A bit of water with some corals that you can find thousands, a thousand times better, anywhere in the world.
And please, don't mention the heat, the wind, the flies, oh God enough, I'm getting nauseous just writing this stuff.
So if it were not for the natural resources, this country IS a sh!thole.
The multicultural furphy is another of Australia's big failures.
I will cede on this point if someone can explain how the world is being run by a single entity, possibly in the form of a group which as in all groups has it's chair or leader.
Eg; Rothschild?
Hmmm?
Posted by ALTRAV, Monday, 3 December 2018 7:35:49 PM
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<<Nobody will stop you building a flimsy raft and taking to the high seas, either. You're free to go whenever you want.>>

Go where?

Isn't the Australian Federal Government trying to "stop the boats", or has stopped the boats?

With the boats that are trying to come to Australia, aren't they being turned around and being sent back to their place of origin or elsewhere?

Sorry, it's not possible to just go out on a boat and expect other governments to be open and caring, when the Australian Government is not.
Posted by NathanJ, Wednesday, 5 December 2018 12:09:32 PM
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I wonder if Belly was the union rep at the time Lego.
Posted by runner, Wednesday, 5 December 2018 4:46:31 PM
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